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darkknight109 02/20/22 2:59:05 AM #40:	Kyuubi4269 posted... If covid kills, why did I and my friends just get a cold? How do you know it's not just the flu? How do you know that the gub'mint isn't lying about a normal cold to inject microchips? What are the ACTUAL deaths by covid, instead of deaths with? Why are the rules opening and closing all the time? If it's so bad, why doesn't the government act it? Every single one of these has been explained on a level a child could understand. Here, I'll do it right now: 1) No one said COVID kills everyone - some people will survive. Honestly, most people will survive. But the problem is that even if it only kills only a few percentage points of those it infects, a few percentage points of the entire population is a really big number. If 1% of the US population died, that's 3.3 million people dead. 2) Because tests used to detect COVID-19 react to specific chemical elements of the virus to confirm it is, in fact, COVID-19 and not, say, influenza. 3) Because you can watch a living creature get microchipped by going down to the vet's office and watching them put a microchip in a dog. You'll notice that the needle used for it is fucking huge and that's just for a chip with no internal power source that has a single function (to return data when scanned). In order for a chip to be useful for tracking, it would have to be even larger than those; you're definitely not fitting it in a vaccine syringe. More to the point, if the government wanted to track you, it'd be far easier to just hack the phone you're very likely already carrying. 4) Because the rules are created by politicians, not doctors, and politicians weigh a lot more factors than just medical science, for good or for ill. 5) The world was shut down for the better part of two years, which is completely unprecedented - is that not "acting like it"? Kyuubi4269 posted... Yeah, and it's on you to help deal with their trust as you want them to take the vaccine, they're happy with their answer and staying wrong. Honestly? No, at this point, it's not on me anymore. Better men and women than me, who have forgotten far more about medical science than I will ever know, have already made those efforts and still idiots abound. We have people who have explained the vaccine and the process behind it at every level of complexity, from the facile to the in-depth. We have mountains of data reaching inescapable conclusions. At this point, if you don't accept that vaccines are safe it is because you do not wish to accept it and I'm not going to waste my time fruitlessly trying to convince you otherwise. I am fully vaccinated and boosted and my life has mostly returned to normal (and what parts haven't, like the requirement to wear masks indoors, are things I can live with). I live in an area where over 90% of the populace is vaccinated and our health care system is no longer in crisis mode. You want to play Russian Roulette with the most deadly disease the world has seen in the last 100 years? I won't stand in your way. And about the only people I will feel sorry for if life decides to call you on your poor decision making is the health care professionals who have to waste time and resources trying to save you from your own idiocy and any family you left behind who miraculously didn't inherit your terminal stupidity. (in case it wasn't clear, the preceding paragraph is using the hypothetical "you", not referring to you specifically). Kyuubi4269 posted... Conspiracy theories arise from a lack of knowledge, it's answer seeking behaviour. No, conspiracy theories come from emotional disturbance. This is why you can have an event like Sandy Hook, which is conceptually not difficult at all to understand (psychopath shoots up a school) but which is also highly emotive and wind up with a conspiracy theory. Conspiracy theories don't tend to form around highly technical topics (which would be the case if they legitimately came from lack of knowledge and answer-seeking), they form around highly emotional topics. Hence why I say that more data, more explaining, and more scholarly debate won't resolve anything, nor convince any conspiracy theorists to abandon their line of thinking. Kyuubi4269 posted... People can and have changed their political and religious affiliations upon being given good data by trustworthy people. Problem is who is trustworthy to you is not the same people who are trustworthy to them. Again, if people don't trust actual, named scientists whose credentials are well known, they're not going to trust me, an anonymous poster on the internet. Hence my assertion that debating settled science is a waste of time. --- Kill 1 man: You are a murderer. Kill 10 men: You are a monster. Kill 100 men: You are a hero. Kill 10,000 men, you are a conqueror! <cite>darkknight109 posted [p:962803086] in Joe Rogan ... [t:79904297]...</cite> <quote> Kyuubi4269 posted... </cite> <quote>If covid kills, why did I and my friends just get a cold? How do you know it's not just the flu? How do you know that the gub'mint isn't lying about a normal cold to inject microchips? What are the ACTUAL deaths by covid, instead of deaths with? Why are the rules opening and closing all the time? If it's so bad, why doesn't the government act it?</quote>Every single one of these has been explained on a level a child could understand. Here, I'll do it right now: 1) No one said COVID kills everyone - some people will survive. Honestly, most people will survive. But the problem is that even if it only kills only a few percentage points of those it infects, a few percentage points of the entire population is a really big number. If 1% of the US population died, that's 3.3 million people dead. 2) Because tests used to detect COVID-19 react to specific chemical elements of the virus to confirm it is, in fact, COVID-19 and not, say, influenza. 3) Because you can watch a living creature get microchipped by going down to the vet's office and watching them put a microchip in a dog. You'll notice that the needle used for it is fucking huge and that's just for a chip with no internal power source that has a single function (to return data when scanned). In order for a chip to be useful for tracking, it would have to be even larger than those; you're definitely not fitting it in a vaccine syringe. More to the point, if the government wanted to track you, it'd be far easier to just hack the phone you're very likely already carrying. 4) Because the rules are created by politicians, not doctors, and politicians weigh a lot more factors than just medical science, for good or for ill. 5) The world was shut down for the better part of two years, which is completely unprecedented - is that not "acting like it"? Kyuubi4269 posted... </cite> <quote>Yeah, and it's on you to help deal with their trust as you want them to take the vaccine, they're happy with their answer and staying wrong.</quote>Honestly? No, at this point, it's not on me anymore. Better men and women than me, who have forgotten far more about medical science than I will ever know, have already made those efforts and still idiots abound. We have people who have explained the vaccine and the process behind it at every level of complexity, from the facile to the in-depth. We have mountains of data reaching inescapable conclusions. At this point, if you don't accept that vaccines are safe it is because you do not wish to accept it and I'm not going to waste my time fruitlessly trying to convince you otherwise. I am fully vaccinated and boosted and my life has mostly returned to normal (and what parts haven't, like the requirement to wear masks indoors, are things I can live with). I live in an area where over 90% of the populace is vaccinated and our health care system is no longer in crisis mode. You want to play Russian Roulette with the most deadly disease the world has seen in the last 100 years? I won't stand in your way. And about the only people I will feel sorry for if life decides to call you on your poor decision making is the health care professionals who have to waste time and resources trying to save you from your own idiocy and any family you left behind who miraculously didn't inherit your terminal stupidity. (in case it wasn't clear, the preceding paragraph is using the hypothetical "you", not referring to you specifically). Kyuubi4269 posted... </cite> <quote>Conspiracy theories arise from a lack of knowledge, it's answer seeking behaviour.</quote>No, conspiracy theories come from emotional disturbance. This is why you can have an event like Sandy Hook, which is conceptually not difficult at all to understand (psychopath shoots up a school) but which is also highly emotive and wind up with a conspiracy theory. Conspiracy theories don't tend to form around highly technical topics (which would be the case if they legitimately came from lack of knowledge and answer-seeking), they form around highly emotional topics. Hence why I say that more data, more explaining, and more scholarly debate won't resolve anything, nor convince any conspiracy theorists to abandon their line of thinking. Kyuubi4269 posted... </cite> <quote>People can and have changed their political and religious affiliations upon being given good data by trustworthy people. Problem is who is trustworthy to you is not the same people who are trustworthy to them.</quote>Again, if people don't trust actual, named scientists whose credentials are well known, they're not going to trust me, an anonymous poster on the internet. Hence my assertion that debating settled science is a waste of time. --- Kill 1 man: You are a murderer. Kill 10 men: You are a monster. Kill 100 men: You are a hero. Kill 10,000 men, you are a conqueror!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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