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Entity13 posted...

The recent Total War games in which there is a built-in trait where other countries, even ones on the other side of the map, despise you for taking land, no matter what your reasons were. Like, "Buddy, I just spent the past ten years striking down your enemies--yes, plural--and securing your border while opening trade that has helped you flourish; and your plan is to attack me when I haven't had one year of peace? Just because I hold too much land?"

I feel like it's become much less worse in recent years because the trend at endgame is large alliances. Compare Shogun 2 to Three Kingdoms, for instance. Realm Divide sabotages the player's relations specifically once you pass a certain threshold, and 3K allows for alliance victories by making everyone a lot more willing to follow you at endgame if you hold a capitol and they don't.

Warhammer situationally avoids this by just making racial hatred and friendship more pronounced. So it's harder to do funny shit like skaven and high elf alliances but especially once chaos comes to town all order factions instantly love each other. This makes it end up that the order factions are all rather close and all the evil factions end up liking their evil neighbors because alliance play makes an "enemy of my enemy is my friend" situation. Troy pushes the big alliance war pretty hard early on in each campaign, so you're on one of two sides most likely.

No game has had as horrific diplomacy since Shogun 2, and that game's 11 years old. 3K diplomacy is downright amazing, honestly.

funkyfritter posted...

Valkyria chronicles. The amount of xp you get at the end of each mission is determined by your rank, which is determined solely by how many turns it took you to beat the mission. There's also no way to grind xp, so the system strongly rewards you for ignoring enemies as much as possible and bum rushing the objective. I've never played another strategy game that sabotages itself so thoroughly.

You can absolutely grind exp in that game, very early on and very easily. One of the extra maps can be completed in 1-2 turns with a scout. Scouts in general are insane in 1.