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Grendel_Prime posted...

The bans are largely for bump stocks, high-capacity magazines, trigger adapters, fully automatic firearms... You have some (Beto O'Rourke, for example) calling for the ban of certain types of firearm (AR-15). Very few outside of the extreme fringe are calling for an outright wholesale ban on firearms.

Considering this, and addressing your point about "actual" give-and-take, where is the give from 2A defenders? They fight every regulation. Red Flag laws, background checks, etc. Even "mild" regulation is pushed back upon by the ardent defenders of 2A. There's no negotiation because those 2A defenders are opposed to even reasonable checks and balances. That's not a fringe stance, either. That's the standard line in the sand.

First off, lets address some errors.

Bump stocks - Trump actually signed off on a ban for those. It was later overturned by the courts because it violated constitutional law.

High-Capacity Magazines - What is a high-capacity magazine? 30 rounds? 20? 10? what about integral mags? People that don't know guns, don't seem to realize the tremendous amount of complications involved. If you were to say anything over 10 rounds, you're describing about 90% of guns on the market.

Trigger Adapters - No clue what this is referring to.

Fully Automatic Firearms - Pretty much already banned. Any fully automatic firearms produced after 1986 can not be purchased my civilians due to the Hughes Amendment. Anything pre-1986 can be purchased under an ATF Form 4. This involves fingerprinting, a letter from local law enforcement, a $200 tax stamp, and multiple background checks with a wait time of about 10-12 months. I'll add that these guns are extremely expensive. For example, a full auto AR-15 built before 86' will run you on average $35,000.

As to your question about the give and take on the pro 2A side, there is none. That was my point. Nobody is willing to make any concessions, because the other side isn't willing to either. When it comes to red flag laws, everyone should be opposed. They are a flat out violation of due process. I honestly can't believe anyone supports them. I understand the intent behind them, but they chose the absolute worst execution possible. The background check thing is just stupid because we already do them! The pro 2A side isn't opposed to background checks, they just sick of repeating the underlined point. I've purchased many guns over the years, both from shops as well as gun shows. I had a NICS check and filled out a 4473 for every single one. If someone is somehow skirting background checks, they're probably already breaking the law.