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ToteAll posted...

But are you saying it was "great"? "Good"? What are you saying? Because using "perfect" as "what you're not calling it" is really fucking suspicious of what you would be calling it. Allende's government was a disaster.

It was democratically elected and if it was going to collapse, it should have been allowed to do that. It did enough good things to worry the interests of capital, and that's why it was forcefully toppled. That's the same dynamic we saw all throughout Latin America. Were all those places instances where the government was definitely about to fall and the CIA just gave it a push out of the kindness of their hearts?

Oh so you feed into this crap and don't know how the crap even works? It sure as hell was gonna collapse, it was already collapsing. Allende would increase government spending by 400% (I am not exaggerating) between years while systematically ruining the government's income. You thinking they interfere because "it wasn't gonna collapse" is childish. They toppled the falling tower to be there to ransack the rubble and do their little experiment.

Who says I don't want change? I do, I just laugh at the notion that socialism or anarchism are the solution, because they are not. There's even some CEbuddies who shill for fucking communism.

You're not addressing my core argument. You say you want change, but you don't address how you'll get that change while accepting the structure and power relations of capitalism. You've spent a fair amount of time criticizing your current social democratic government. So is social democracy too far, or do you want some other form of social democracy? Socialism is too far, anarchism is too far, communism is too far. If you think all of that is too far, you'll be trying to fix Capitalism with Capitalism, and that's not going to work if all political and economic power is still concentrated in the hands of the wealthy. And how are you going to reduce that power without one of the aforementioned systems? Your plan is to wait until they have everything, then try to fight them, without leftist ideology?

The previous periods of "well regulated capitalism" were only secured through the struggle of unions and other groups organized by communists, socialists, and anarchists, and through the constant threat of the peasants/underclass/proletariat taking their cues from the Soviets. Without that, all you'll get is what we have now.