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legendary_zell posted...

I don't like telling strangers on the internet where I live. But I live in an east coast city with higher crime than NYC. Also, I was directly reading from the NYC crime stats from:

https://www.nyc.gov/site/nypd/stats/crime-statistics/historical.page

There's no real indication that NYC tough on crime measures in the 90s/early 200s did anything because the same results were achieved everywhere at that same time, with or without stop and frisk etc. We're not really sure what did it.

I'm not saying that crime rates are acceptable in the Bronx or that they haven't gone up. What I'm saying is that most people are not proceeding based on reality. For example, the historic lows thing is not BS, it's an observable, nationwide fact. And what I'm saying is that what the places like the Bronx and Detroit have in common is extreme neglect and disinvestment from wider society, not lack of police cracking heads and making arrests. That's what needs to be fixed and that's what was worsened by the pandemic, Alvin Bragg is not the problem.

Lol, what? Dude, just name the city or state. Because it sounds like it's some southern shithole because there aren't any east coast cities doing worst than NYC anywhere near the north.

I didn't discount the historic lows thing. I said it's pointless to bring up because it doesn't change anything. I gave raw numbers, not just percentages. These numbers are not good. Not sure what proceeding with reality has to do it. Again, saying it's not as bad as the 80s/90s is dumb as shit. Those were historic highs. It's like constantly saying "that 7.0 earthquake was nothing compared to the 8.0 one 20 years ago". Yeah, 7.0 is still bad.

Not sure why you brought up Bragg since he's Manhattan's DA. At least Bronx's DA is trying her best. The hardest hit Targets in the Bronx now have cops inside and people get arrested immediately. The facts are that two major things did coincide with the pandemic that people ignore. The bail reform and the disbanding of the anti crime unit. Both in 2020.

And I don't get the disinvestment thing. Crime is much higher in Manhattan than Staten Island, Brooklyn and Queens. Manhattan is one of the centers of the world.

I get your point that there's many factors at play here, but my thing is not that tough on crime necessarily works, rather soft on crime doesn't work either. The thieves aren't even really poor people.

The ones doing the big heists pull up in expensive ass cars, and this is not even a minority thing. Tons of white people are doing this shit too because there's no consequences. It has essentially gone viral. It's pointless to just ignore it like Manhattan does. When all the companies leave, everybody will be worst off, so the city and Bragg need to be tougher than ignoring it. Or acting like it's some type of conspiracy all these stores are closing down.