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adjl posted...

Not remotely. Israel treats Palestinians like garbage, having stripped them of nearly every right they possibly could and stopping just barely short of exterminating the lot of them (and even then they've made quite a few earnest attempts at genocide). You don't get to impose apartheid over a population and then surprisedpickachu.jpg when that population ends up resenting you.

Would there still be resentment toward Israel even if they weren't being massive assholes to Palestinians? Absolutely. That's kind of inevitable when your colonial oppressor decides to invent a country on top of yours and expects you to get along with the new people. But the first step to improving those relations has to be making a genuine effort to coexist peacefully and equitably, not establishing oppression at the institutional level in hopes that everyone will give up and go somewhere else. Israel is the one with the power to take that first step, and they've chosen not to, making this whole mess their fault.

That's all non-sense really. There is no genocide (if there were, they the worst at it), there is no apartheid, there is no unearned oppression. What you see is the Israeli response given to the Palestinians actions - no ones prefect but gotta make a choice, and those choices were made. They chose to be at war with Israel and suffer the consequences of choosing to continue the war, instead of just accepting they lost and can't win. They're never getting all of Israel back, it's not happening ever. They need to just accept Israel exists, and start working on how to exist with them, because existing against them isn't working out for them at all. It's also not from how Israel treats them anyway. They've been at war with Israel since it was founded. They showed Israel what they were about right away and have never changed, only grew bitter and don't want to be held accountable.

There were also always Jews in Palestine, and it's only called Palestine because the Romans didn't like the Jews so change the name to spite them. The Quran says Jerusalem belongs to the Jews, so shows even Islam acknowledged the Jewish connection to the land way after they stopped existing at a nation. It wasn't invented, it was re-establish based on a western promise to the Jews (and those western powers controlled the land and could do what they wanted with it). Also Arabs weren't forced to leave Israel, but Jews were forced out of every other Middle east nation (because they also used to live everywhere). So it's more the middle east own fault for both forcing all Jews to move to Israel, and the Arabs deciding they don't want to live in Israel, till after. Jordan was given to be an Arab land (out of the promised land to Israel), so they had a place to go, but Jordan didn't really want them (nor did any other Islamic nation, weirdly).

In 75 years, Palestinians have done nothing accept fight Israel unsuccessfully. They have taken every single thing given to them, and used it to make and acquire weapons, to attack Israel with the stated goal to drive the Jews into the sea. If they used those resources instead on building infrastructure and work and a functional democracy and dealt with Israel peacefully, they'd be at peace and be prospering right along side Israel by now.

In 75 years every major peace plan that was proposed and pushed, Israel agreed (even if they didn't want to), and Palestinians launched a war on Israel in response. Israel has taken the first five steps every single time for peace, and only get more death in return.

Kinda hard to make peace with someone who has already publicly stated they will never have peace with you, and will only be happy when your all dead. Despite that, Israel is still are trying, hoping their children will wake up I guess.

Like I said step one is the Palestinians have to accept Israel exists, and has a right to. Till they do that , there can only be suffering for both sides. Wouldn't hurt to also get Iran to accept it because they are just funding Palestine to maintain a proxy war with Israel. Easier to let them die then Iranians right + you get free negative press toward Jews globally, It's a like a win-win for terrorist.

Israel's laws have no relevancy to anything either. If they got there own state they'd be under their "own" laws, the faster they face the facts, the faster they can move into their new dictatorship... I mean "Peoples Democracy" or some name to pretend the people have a voice but actually don't.