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caprontos posted...

There is no genocide (if there were, they the worst at it)

Prior to the events of this past week (and probably still now, with the magnitude of the retaliation), Israel had killed more than an order of magnitude more Palestinian civilians than vice versa. They've perpetrated as much genocide as they can get away with, and Netenyahu has on multiple occasions explicitly expressed the desire to do more.

caprontos posted...

there is no apartheid

I'll just direct you to this post because he summarizes how overtly false this claim is well enough that I see no reason to reinvent the wheel:
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/3-poll-of-the-day/80587529/976538867

caprontos posted...

there is no unearned oppression.

The notion of "earned oppression" is a rather horrifying thought and kind of throws any pretense of trying to approach this from the perspective of a good person out the window.

caprontos posted...

They've been at war with Israel since it was founded.

Also from that linked post, Israel was actively expanding Jewish settlements at the expense of Arab citizens for a solid decade before Hamas became active.

caprontos posted...

It wasn't invented, it was re-establish based on a western promise to the Jews (and those western powers controlled the land and could do what they wanted with it).

That's inventing it. The region hadn't been significantly under Jewish control for literally thousands of years. "Re-establishing" that after so long is functionally identical to creating it out of thin air. The Britain claimed the land after the Ottoman Empire fell does mean that they had a legal right to do whatever they wanted with it, that doesn't mean they can't be blamed for the consequences of their colonial decision to massively overturn the status quo. In hindsight, establishing the country of Israel post-WWII made a colossal mess of the region. That's not even really up for debate (much like the fact that the colonial borders drawn post-WWI are the root of much of the instability that still plagues the Middle East). Disestablishing it now would probably be an even worse idea, but recognizing the root of the problem is still important.