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SayHeyyShohei posted...

What made you come to this conclusion? If you don't have free will, you believe in determinism. Which means this entire argument is pointless. So why the fuck are you engaging in it other than your direct path was to be as unavoidably obtuse and annoying as possible?

Here's a thought experiment. What aspects of free will would you remove from the equation that would prevent your loaded example? How do you logically go about doing that? And if free will doesn't exist, the philosophical question becomes - does it even matter? That's a pretty cynical outlook.

There is nothing in the scientic method that eliminates the possibility of "God", or the explanation thereof of how things came to be and if there are higher entities outside this universe. You can believe in science while simultaneously believing in God if you should choose. You could also believe in something totally different. None of it is verifiably correct or can be proven. That's the whole idea of faith and spirituality.

I'm not talking about determinism. I'm talking about my autism, my brain. I don't want to hear shit about my parents' DNA having free will or something. I am literally incapable of choosing to believe in the irrational. I don't give a damn if doing that magically becomes "annoying" and "trolling" when we apply rationality and science to spirituality. I have no logical reason to value a deity anymore than anything else that isn't proven to exist.

There is no point in faith and spirituality. Why would anyone want to believe in something unfalsifiable that they can't even sense? "Science doesn't disprove deities because they exist outside of science" is just a copout. Why should we believe anything exists outside of science and the laws of the universe everything else follows? Why can't absence of evidence suggest gods don't exist? Why do they get to ignore the rules?

You keep talking about free will, but then when God's nature kills someone it's "Well tumors have free will too so oh well. Unimaginable pain and suffering are a small price to pay for true free will." Schmackledorfs don't exist and we still supposedly have free will, so God could have created the world without cancer or child molestation from the get-go and no one would have known the difference. You can't lose free will if certain things never existed in the universe in the first place. God can keep his fucking unchecked free will if the cost is this high. I didn't volunteer to suffer for everyone else's benefit and neither did the billions who have had it far worse than me. He's supposedly much smarter than us. He could have figured it out if he existed.

The God you have described does not just sound cold, but incomprehensibly evil. There couldn't be a more hopeless scenario than anything you describe existing.