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Topic	Pro-Palestine protestors to Biden: "No cease-fire, no votes."
IceCreamOnStero 11/05/23 1:55:38 PM #310:	darkace77450 posted... Reality directly contradicts this claim. By progressive standards, things did get better under Obama. The shift may not have been as fast or far as you'd like, but it's demonstrably false to claim that the country was trending in the wrong direction under his presidency. Or under Biden's, for that matter. The country absolutely trended in the wrong direction. Drone strikes and poor handling of immigration skyrocketed. Civil rights continued to stall with no input from Obama until his hand was pretty much forced. Maybe you think he gets a pass for being snadwiched by the two worst presidents in recent history, but I don't. Even Obama, supposed to be the shining beacon only took tiny steps forward while remaining in the neoliberal framework, while also taking several steps back. Shadow_Don posted... But I'm not telling you to vote while ignoring your concerns. This entire topic has been democrats insisting that people who care about Palestine vote for people who will ignore their concers. And the majority of people wanted Hillary and wanted Biden over the progressives. Who then proceeded to not do what the majority wanted. So Jim Crow era was a thriving democracy? Obviously not given given significant amounts of the population were completely disenfranchised. Shadow_Don posted... What I'm saying here is that you guys are also engaging in vote shaming tactics. Or more specifically, I think dismissing arguments as "vote shaming" is fucking stupid. I'm just trying to talk about why we should vote for Biden in 2024 and why its important to vote in general. How else would you describe "vote for people you don't like, or else it'll be your vote that people you don't like even less get elected. Also, you're too small of a block for us to actually give a shit about earning your vote" other than shaming tactics? darkace77450 posted... Biden's done nothing to appeal to progressives? The billions in student loan forgiveness, the billions in federal funding for green energy initiatives, the constant drumbeat for gun regulations...none of that means anything to you? It means nothing to me because its all a bandaid. It obviously means nothing to single-issue Palestine voters which this topic is about. --- Dokkan ID: 2365415872 <cite>IceCreamOnStero posted [p:977048461] in Pro-Palest... [t:80611545]...</cite> <quote>darkace77450 posted... </cite><quote>Reality directly contradicts this claim. By progressive standards, things did get better under Obama. The shift may not have been as fast or far as you'd like, but it's demonstrably false to claim that the country was trending in the wrong direction under his presidency. Or under Biden's, for that matter.</quote>The country absolutely trended in the wrong direction. Drone strikes and poor handling of immigration skyrocketed. Civil rights continued to stall with no input from Obama until his hand was pretty much forced. Maybe you think he gets a pass for being snadwiched by the two worst presidents in recent history, but I don't.Even Obama, supposed to be the shining beacon only took tiny steps forward while remaining in the neoliberal framework, while also taking several steps back.Shadow_Don posted... </cite><quote>But I'm not telling you to vote while ignoring your concerns.</quote>This entire topic has been democrats insisting that people who care about Palestine vote for people who will ignore their concers.<quote>And the majority of people wanted Hillary and wanted Biden over the progressives.</quote>Who then proceeded to not do what the majority wanted.<quote>So Jim Crow era was a thriving democracy?</quote>Obviously not given given significant amounts of the population were completely disenfranchised.Shadow_Don posted... </cite><quote>What I'm saying here is that you guys are also engaging in vote shaming tactics.Or more specifically, I think dismissing arguments as "vote shaming" is fucking stupid. I'm just trying to talk about why we should vote for Biden in 2024 and why its important to vote in general.</quote>How else would you describe "vote for people you don't like, or else it'll be your vote that people you don't like even less get elected. Also, you're too small of a block for us to actually give a shit about earning your vote" other than shaming tactics?darkace77450 posted... </cite><quote>Biden's done nothing to appeal to progressives? The billions in student loan forgiveness, the billions in federal funding for green energy initiatives, the constant drumbeat for gun regulations...none of that means anything to you?</quote>It means nothing to me because its all a bandaid. It obviously means nothing to single-issue Palestine voters which this topic is about. --- Dokkan ID: 2365415872</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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