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NatsuSama posted...

I didn't conveniently leave it out as your logic by your own words still leads you to claiming, "they're both leading to the same conclusion" when they are not.

The two are not the same, and not pushing for the same outcomes just because you can find a stance they might agree on at a wide variant level.

Your logic also still ignores reality of how politics works, and how laws are actually passed. Even your logic claiming "Democrats fear losing Republicans" which again ignores reality. Love them or hate them, Republicans make up approximately 40% of the country that actually votes. We have to compromise with these people to pass any legislation based on our current make up of congress. In politics that includes sometimes having to sweat talk a few into being willing to compromise. The House literally is controlled (I use that word loosely) by Republicans right now. Like it or not, the 2 parties need to work together right now until we can vote enough Republicans out.

The conclusion is the same, even if they want different things. If you're trying to escape a serial killer by driving away and the serial killer (Republicans) is blocking your path and you (Democrats) genuinely want to escape, but don't put the keys in the ignition or turn the engine on (mobilizing people), the outcome is going to be you sitting there, regardless of what you want.

If you claim to pursue a goal, but don't utilize the tactics necessary to get there, you can't be surprised when you don't reach your goal. Not reaching the goal is what Republicans want and what we'll get if they're not stopped. So by not using the necessary tactics, you're getting to the same goal by a different route.

Let's tie this back to black voters. Lets say Dems want to end school segregation and funding disparities. Republicans want to keep things the same or even make them worse. Let's say that to fix that issue, funding would need to be a taken over by the state or federal government, and would no longer be based on the wealth of the school's area. If a lot of time, energy, and money is wasted on things that don't work, and the thing that does work is taken off the table, the outcome will be a Republican win (the status quo or worse) even though that's not what the Democrats wanted.

Also, I didn't say Democrats fear losing Republicans, I said they fear losing TO Republicans. Compromising into fake solutions that don't actually solve anything benefits Republicans and not Democrats. We have to waste our time defending half measures that still leave people suffering while Republicans prey on discontent and wait to reverse whatever gains we do make. The goal of politics is to solve problems, not merely be in office or pass something.