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Topic	I just got Tales of Graces f (spoilers no welcome past where I am)
darkknight109 09/27/17 4:33:49 PM #155:	PK_Spam posted... Shit! The Shuttle Crash Site boss wiped my whole party after I went and collected all the swimsuits AND beat both bosses at Lambda's Cocoon. Ugh. That's why I need to learn to save more often. This exact thing happened to me at this point in the game. I feel your pain. chaosbowser posted... darkknight109 posted... In the West, this resolution is deeply unsatisfying, because a parent who discards their child's love in favour of pushing them to financial, academic, and/or social success is a bad parent (indeed, Western culture would say he has missed the whole point of being a parent in the first place); in Japan, the character often has a tragic air to them, because they gave up everything - even the love of their children - in order to ensure their child's success. Not only would they be considered a good parent, they'd be considered a great one for sacrificing so much for the sake of their child. I would argue that it isnt a sacrifice. Its a failure to identify what their children really wanted. That trope is just some garbage to justify bad parenting. The child being successful is only the best case scenario. In most cases the child might not be successful at all or on in the worst case commits suicide. In the former the child and parent are now estranged with nothing to show for it. And in the latter how great of a parent are they now when the pressure they put on their child for their sake was too much for them to handle? This is a pretty common Western reaction to this trope, and not necessarily a wrong reading of it, but it's not one that most Japanese would take. Even if the child did succeed, the important part isn't the end result, it's the motivation - this is the Japanese version of tough love, or being cruel to be kind. The parent wants the child to succeed and pushes them extremely hard to do so; even if the child doesn't excel, the parent did what they did out of love and a desire to secure the best possible future for their offspring, even at the cost of giving up the possibility of being loved and admired by their child. Again, I'm not defending this sort of parenting (in my view, I completely agree that it's shitty parenting and kids shouldn't be raised that way), just explaining why the game takes the tone it does towards Aston and his relationship with his sons. --- Kill 1 man: You are a murderer. Kill 10 men: You are a monster. Kill 100 men: You are a hero. Kill 10,000 men, you are a conqueror! <cite>darkknight109 posted [p:887401588] in I just got... [t:75751665]...</cite> <quote><cite>PK_Spam posted...</cite> <quote>Shit! The Shuttle Crash Site boss wiped my whole party after I went and collected all the swimsuits AND beat both bosses at Lambda's Cocoon. Ugh. That's why I need to learn to save more often.</quote> This exact thing happened to me at this point in the game. I feel your pain. <cite>chaosbowser posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkknight109 posted...</cite> <quote>In the West, this resolution is deeply unsatisfying, because a parent who discards their child's love in favour of pushing them to financial, academic, and/or social success is a bad parent (indeed, Western culture would say he has missed the whole point of being a parent in the first place); in Japan, the character often has a tragic air to them, because they gave up everything - even the love of their children - in order to ensure their child's success. Not only would they be considered a good parent, they'd be considered a great one for sacrificing so much for the sake of their child.</quote> I would argue that it isnt a sacrifice. Its a failure to identify what their children really wanted. That trope is just some garbage to justify bad parenting. The child being successful is only the best case scenario. In most cases the child might not be successful at all or on in the worst case commits suicide. In the former the child and parent are now estranged with nothing to show for it. And in the latter how great of a parent are they now when the pressure they put on their child for their sake was too much for them to handle?</quote> This is a pretty common Western reaction to this trope, and not necessarily a wrong reading of it, but it's not one that most Japanese would take. Even if the child did succeed, the important part isn't the end result, it's the motivation - this is the Japanese version of tough love, or being cruel to be kind. The parent wants the child to succeed and pushes them extremely hard to do so; even if the child doesn't excel, the parent did what they did out of love and a desire to secure the best possible future for their offspring, even at the cost of giving up the possibility of being loved and admired by their child. Again, I'm not defending this sort of parenting (in my view, I completely agree that it's shitty parenting and kids shouldn't be raised that way), just explaining why the game takes the tone it does towards Aston and his relationship with his sons. --- Kill 1 man: You are a murderer. Kill 10 men: You are a monster. Kill 100 men: You are a hero. Kill 10,000 men, you are a conqueror!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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