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Zeus 09/27/17 11:53:23 PM #176:	ParanoidObsessive posted... If anything, the best scenario there would be to book Steph as more of a face (see also, Shane), and have her actively praise and put over wrestlers, so there's no NEED for anyone to get payback against her. In general, promoters should be booked more as faces. Rarely does anything good come out of fans hating the company. While VKM's heel run may seem like an exception, that was more an example of transitioning legit hatred into kayfabe hate and pretty much the only time when that really makes sense. ParanoidObsessive posted... (though as Cornette has pointed out, the evil management figure is neither necessary nor necessarily the best idea creatively anyway) Yeah, he also blames it for one of the reasons why fans hate Reigns because we've been unconsciously trained to hate and resent the WWE's management and he's their handpicked guy. (Or maybe that was a Jericho and Lance Storm interview I'm thinking of?) Honestly, I can kinda see it. ParanoidObsessive posted... Conversely, you could be a bit more nuanced and just have Steph as a face who puts over and has open respect for faces and who is a bit more annoyed with heels, but with the heels still being able to "win" by exploiting loopholes or breaking rules, so they aren't constantly entirely emasculated by her with no recourse. ie, basically playing the management role that nearly every company (even the WWF - see also Jack Tunney and Gorilla Monsoon) had before Vince became a supervillain. But none of this happens because Steph is the one in charge of creative, and she doesn't actually care about putting her talent over, as much as she likes going on the occasional power-trip and showing off a bit. I'm not sure that it's only a matter of ego, I think it's also a matter of her just not that smart to the business. (Granted, I guess you could argue that her ego gets in the way of her learning how things were done and why they were done, instead of just relying on what she learned from her daddy who, while he has a better understanding of how things worked, settled too much into a niche and had always favored the goofier style of pro wrestling.) The Wave Master posted... Enzo has gone from quickly entertaining to a loud mouth piece of trash. I think he needs Big Cass to make him palatable. Plus Big Cass was good on the mic and decent in the ring too. Big Cass didn't need Enzo, but Enzo needed big Cass. If I had a dime for every time somebody called Enzo a loud mouth piece of trash, I'd have ONE dimes! I never liked Cass's mic work or in-ring but yes, Enzo works better when he has somebody out there to bounce things off of and to hide how awful his in-ring is. I still remember Melter railing on how Enzo's botch in a match with Cesaro (something about lifting and tossing Enzo over the top rope) made Cesaro look weak. The Wave Master posted... With Enzo turning heel on Raw Monday it seemed more of a locker room decision than a logical creative one. He's sadly over as a face and sells merchandise, and flipping him to a heel means losing some of the merch sales. However, it's going to make the locker room happy, and a happy work environment might be better than a few more t-shirt sales. Good luck selling him as a heel, though. The Wave Master posted... We all know by now that Enzo is an ass, and is hated in the locker room, and has been kicked off the tour bus. Moving down to 205 Live was a good move creatively and social wise because it got rid of him in the main locker room, and got him to a division that needs a mouth piece. I've actually been pleasantly amused by the stories that, as obnoxious as he is in the ring, he's worse on the road. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| In Zeus We Trust: All Others Pay Cash <cite>Zeus posted [p:887424509] in All Geek's... [t:75748636]...</cite> <quote><cite>ParanoidObsessive posted...</cite> <quote>If anything, the best scenario there would be to book Steph as more of a face (see also, Shane), and have her actively praise and put over wrestlers, so there's no NEED for anyone to get payback against her.</quote> In general, promoters should be booked more as faces. Rarely does anything good come out of fans hating the company. While VKM's heel run may seem like an exception, that was more an example of transitioning legit hatred into kayfabe hate and pretty much the only time when that really makes sense. <cite>ParanoidObsessive posted...</cite> <quote>(though as Cornette has pointed out, the evil management figure is neither necessary nor necessarily the best idea creatively anyway)</quote> Yeah, he also blames it for one of the reasons why fans hate Reigns because we've been unconsciously trained to hate and resent the WWE's management and he's their handpicked guy. (Or maybe that was a Jericho and Lance Storm interview I'm thinking of?) Honestly, I can kinda see it. <cite>ParanoidObsessive posted...</cite> <quote>Conversely, you could be a bit more nuanced and just have Steph as a face who puts over and has open respect for faces and who is a bit more annoyed with heels, but with the heels still being able to "win" by exploiting loopholes or breaking rules, so they aren't constantly entirely emasculated by her with no recourse. ie, basically playing the management role that nearly every company (even the WWF - see also Jack Tunney and Gorilla Monsoon) had before Vince became a supervillain. But none of this happens because Steph is the one in charge of creative, and she doesn't actually care about putting her talent over, as much as she likes going on the occasional power-trip and showing off a bit.</quote> I'm not sure that it's only a matter of ego, I think it's also a matter of her just not that smart to the business. (Granted, I guess you could argue that her ego gets in the way of her learning how things were done and why they were done, instead of just relying on what she learned from her daddy who, while he has a better understanding of how things worked, settled too much into a niche and had always favored the goofier style of pro wrestling.) <cite>The Wave Master posted...</cite> <quote>Enzo has gone from quickly entertaining to a loud mouth piece of trash. I think he needs Big Cass to make him palatable. Plus Big Cass was good on the mic and decent in the ring too. Big Cass didn't need Enzo, but Enzo needed big Cass. </quote> If I had a dime for every time somebody called Enzo a loud mouth piece of trash, I'd have ONE dimes! I never liked Cass's mic work or in-ring but yes, Enzo works better when he has somebody out there to bounce things off of and to hide how awful his in-ring is. I still remember Melter railing on how Enzo's botch in a match with Cesaro (something about lifting and tossing Enzo over the top rope) made Cesaro look weak. <cite>The Wave Master posted...</cite> <quote>With Enzo turning heel on Raw Monday it seemed more of a locker room decision than a logical creative one. He's sadly over as a face and sells merchandise, and flipping him to a heel means losing some of the merch sales. However, it's going to make the locker room happy, and a happy work environment might be better than a few more t-shirt sales.</quote> Good luck selling him as a heel, though. <cite>The Wave Master posted...</cite> <quote>We all know by now that Enzo is an ass, and is hated in the locker room, and has been kicked off the tour bus. Moving down to 205 Live was a good move creatively and social wise because it got rid of him in the main locker room, and got him to a division that needs a mouth piece.</quote> I've actually been pleasantly amused by the stories that, as obnoxious as he is in the ring, he's worse on the road. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| In Zeus We Trust: All Others Pay Cash</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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