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Topic	Jeff Sessions says with the BLESSING of Trump that CHRISTIANS can REFUSE Gays!!!
Zeus 10/15/17 7:05:17 PM #43:	adjl posted... Zeus posted... Any business owner should be allowed to refuse business for any reason, given that another business owner will pick up that business unless the government is forbidding the sales of services to groups. In an infinite market, sure, but in case you haven't noticed, there is a finite number of businesses in America. Another business owner won't necessarily pick up that business, because another business owner won't necessarily exist. The consequence is that people are deprived of these services on bases that nobody should be deprived of anything, which is a massive problem when the services in question are necessary ones (obviously, having a wedding cake isn't that necessary, but that's not the only service people can be denied). And really, is it so hard to demand that business owners not be bigoted assholes? The odds of another company not picking up that business are ludicrously low. At the most, if it's a fringe service (like wedding cakes) it might be the only business in the town and you'd be stuck going elsewhere (or, in the case of wedding cakes, relying on a normal bakery). And I think you're conflating "finite" with "small" because, while there may not be an infinite number of businesses, the sheer number which do exist is tremendous. If a need isn't being met, businesses will either spring up to meet it or other businesses -- recognizing that they can get a large amount of profit -- will step in. In general, I could understand an argument mandating essential services, but most essential services -- hospitals, utilities, etc -- are covered by the government anyway which can't discriminate. Likewise, major chains cover the majority of needs in this country so the most important areas are already covered. Otherwise, the idea that nobody should be "deprived of anything" is fundamentally an issue of entitlement. As it stands, countless people of "deprived of things" due to a myriad of factors including income, availability, etc. So, unless you pass a law mandating that things should be free and businesses have to open in certain areas, there will always be some "deprivation" adjl posted... And really, is it so hard to demand that business owners not be bigoted assholes? Why not ask whether it's really so hard not to be an asshole who forces a business to do something against their will instead of walking around the corner and buying somewhere else? Frankly, if I knew somebody didn't want to serve me, I wouldn't go there. However, you have asses who -- recognizing the discomfort -- either do it to shove it their faces or to sue them. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| In Zeus We Trust: All Others Pay Cash <cite>Zeus posted [p:888498080] in Jeff Sessi... [t:75870234]...</cite> <quote><cite>adjl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>Any business owner should be allowed to refuse business for any reason, given that another business owner will pick up that business unless the government is forbidding the sales of services to groups.</quote> In an infinite market, sure, but in case you haven't noticed, there is a finite number of businesses in America. Another business owner won't necessarily pick up that business, because another business owner won't necessarily exist. The consequence is that people are deprived of these services on bases that nobody should be deprived of anything, which is a massive problem when the services in question are necessary ones (obviously, having a wedding cake isn't that necessary, but that's not the only service people can be denied). And really, is it so hard to demand that business owners not be bigoted assholes?</quote> The odds of another company not picking up that business are ludicrously low. At the most, if it's a fringe service (like wedding cakes) it might be the only business in the town and you'd be stuck going elsewhere (or, in the case of wedding cakes, relying on a normal bakery). And I think you're conflating "finite" with "small" because, while there may not be an infinite number of businesses, the sheer number which do exist is tremendous. If a need isn't being met, businesses will either spring up to meet it or other businesses -- recognizing that they can get a large amount of profit -- will step in. In general, I could understand an argument mandating essential services, but most essential services -- hospitals, utilities, etc -- are covered by the government anyway which can't discriminate. Likewise, major chains cover the majority of needs in this country so the most important areas are already covered. Otherwise, the idea that nobody should be "deprived of anything" is fundamentally an issue of entitlement. As it stands, countless people of "deprived of things" due to a myriad of factors including income, availability, etc. So, unless you pass a law mandating that things should be free and businesses have to open in certain areas, there will always be some "deprivation" <cite>adjl posted...</cite> <quote>And really, is it so hard to demand that business owners not be bigoted assholes?</quote> Why not ask whether it's really so hard not to be an asshole who forces a business to do something against their will instead of walking around the corner and buying somewhere else? Frankly, if I knew somebody didn't want to serve me, I wouldn't go there. However, you have asses who -- recognizing the discomfort -- either do it to shove it their faces or to sue them. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| In Zeus We Trust: All Others Pay Cash</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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