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Topic	My thoughts on "The Last Jedi" (obvious spoilers)
Mr_Biscuit 12/16/17 3:23:53 PM #1:	I'm gonna try this in bullet points and I'll add things as I think of them. -I simultaneously think it's a little silly how vitriolic some people are being about it, but also completely understand why some people disliked the direction it went. -The most emblematic scene of the whole movie was Yoda and Luke burning down the ancient Jedi texts. That's the "thesis" of the whole thing. I think some people saw this film and got upset that it "shit all over the originals" or ruined Luke or made the original trilogy pointless... I don't think that's true at all. I think the message was that all ages pass, and sometimes you do have to let the old die and let something new grow in its place. It's a not-so-thinly-veiled metaphor for the direction of Star Wars. -On a related note, I don't really understand the argument that it makes the originals pointless. Was World War 1 pointless because there was later a World War 2? It doesn't marginalize the accomplishments of Luke, Leia, and Han. -One of the things I liked most was how we got three different versions of the scene where Luke visited Kylo in his sleep. We saw the "sterile" version where Luke was just trying to talk to him and Kylo went batshit, we saw the twisted version where Luke was about to just straight up murder him, and then we saw the actual truth of what happened where Luke briefly considered it for half a second, thought "what am I doing?", but Kylo had already woken up and assumed the worst. I thought that was pretty neat and believable, as I was having trouble digesting the "Luke just decided to kill me in my sleep" angle. -Kylo is, removing nostalgia from the equation, the most interesting villain we've ever had in a mainline Star Wars movie. I love how he and Rey are portrayed as two sides of the same "I have no idea what the fuck I'm doing" coin, and I enjoyed how him killing Snoke wasn't really a redemption moment for him and he remains on the Dark Side. -Speaking of Snoke, I do fall into the camp that wishes we got some explanation for where he came from and I'm hoping we maybe get that retroactively in the third movie, BUT I'm totally cool with the twist of Kylo killing him. I've seen some complaints of people not knowing what the third movie could possibly entail, but I think that's the point and I like it quite a lot. Kylo's take on "burn it all down, start over" is meta for the turning point of the franchise, and I'm glad we didn't just get an emperor clone as the long-term big bad that Kylo could kill for redemption later. -Didn't mind Luke's "death," because I felt it was more just a matter of being at peace and becoming one with the Force than being outright killed. I think it's a pretty safe bet he'll be making a force ghost cameo or two next movie. continued --- https://www.bigplay.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/img_6703.jpg <cite>Mr_Biscuit posted [p:892333562] in My thought... [t:76106013]...</cite> <quote>I'm gonna try this in bullet points and I'll add things as I think of them. -I simultaneously think it's a little silly how vitriolic some people are being about it, but also completely understand why some people disliked the direction it went. -The most emblematic scene of the whole movie was Yoda and Luke burning down the ancient Jedi texts. That's the "thesis" of the whole thing. I think some people saw this film and got upset that it "shit all over the originals" or ruined Luke or made the original trilogy pointless... I don't think that's true at all. I think the message was that all ages pass, and sometimes you do have to let the old die and let something new grow in its place. It's a not-so-thinly-veiled metaphor for the direction of Star Wars. -On a related note, I don't really understand the argument that it makes the originals pointless. Was World War 1 pointless because there was later a World War 2? It doesn't marginalize the accomplishments of Luke, Leia, and Han. -One of the things I liked most was how we got three different versions of the scene where Luke visited Kylo in his sleep. We saw the "sterile" version where Luke was just trying to talk to him and Kylo went batshit, we saw the twisted version where Luke was about to just straight up murder him, and then we saw the actual truth of what happened where Luke briefly considered it for half a second, thought "what am I doing?", but Kylo had already woken up and assumed the worst. I thought that was pretty neat and believable, as I was having trouble digesting the "Luke just decided to kill me in my sleep" angle. -Kylo is, removing nostalgia from the equation, the most interesting villain we've ever had in a mainline Star Wars movie. I love how he and Rey are portrayed as two sides of the same "I have no idea what the fuck I'm doing" coin, and I enjoyed how him killing Snoke wasn't really a redemption moment for him and he remains on the Dark Side. -Speaking of Snoke, I do fall into the camp that wishes we got some explanation for where he came from and I'm hoping we maybe get that retroactively in the third movie, BUT I'm totally cool with the twist of Kylo killing him. I've seen some complaints of people not knowing what the third movie could possibly entail, but I think that's the point and I like it quite a lot. Kylo's take on "burn it all down, start over" is meta for the turning point of the franchise, and I'm glad we didn't just get an emperor clone as the long-term big bad that Kylo could kill for redemption later. -Didn't mind Luke's "death," because I felt it was more just a matter of being at peace and becoming one with the Force than being outright killed. I think it's a pretty safe bet he'll be making a force ghost cameo or two next movie. continued --- https://www.bigplay.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/img_6703.jpg</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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