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Topic	Trump deals devastating blow to renewable energy by imposing tariffs on solar
Zeus 01/23/18 2:47:17 AM #14:	TheCyborgNinja posted... Zeus posted... Given that it can help US-based manufacturers (especially since US-based manufacturers were specifically petitioning for it), it's just shifting production. Granted, US workers were making money on installation regardless so it's not like China's government-backed production was costing all the jobs. China routinely undercuts Western companies through unfair trade practices. You're able to buy products for less than what it should cost to have them shipped in some cases, which is good for consumers up until they no longer have jobs because their employers have gone bankrupt. TheCyborgNinja posted... Part of how the West came to dominate the world was relatively unrestricted scientific advancement following the dark ages. This is what causes dark ages. ...what? Just... what? He is stifling innovation with measures to protect outdated industries that are better left to die and be replaced. Not just with this, but with all of his other anti-science bullshit... Trump is literally pulling a "Weekend at Bernie's" on an industry level. Except he's literally doing nothing of the sort. The actual innovation isn't at the point of manufacturing, which is literally the point that China is handling. For the most part, the innovation has happened in countries like the US and then the production has either started domestic then gotten outsourced or the designs are outright stolen by other nations. Among all the world's nations, few countries are as bad when it comes to IPs as China http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-34324252 https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/features/car-culture/its-a-knock-off-chinas-copycat-cars-at-the-2015-shanghai-motor-show/ And by allowing companies to take the fruits of innovation then undercut the innovators, you are STIFLING innovation. Inventors need to see the fruits of their labor in order to keep inventing. More importantly, it's not even just a case of China is doing it cheaper because they don't have our labor standards or safety standards, but their government actively subsidizes their manufacturing sector. Which, by the way, are things Trump promised to crack down on.... but he hasn't. Not until now and even that is a small measure. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| There are precious few at ease / With moral ambiguities / So we act as though they don't exist. <cite>Zeus posted [p:894617508] in Trump deal... [t:76232131]...</cite> <quote><cite>TheCyborgNinja posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>Given that it can help US-based manufacturers (especially since US-based manufacturers were specifically petitioning for it), it's just shifting production. Granted, US workers were making money on installation regardless so it's not like China's government-backed production was costing all the jobs. China routinely undercuts Western companies through unfair trade practices. You're able to buy products for less than what it should cost to have them shipped in some cases, which is good for consumers up until they no longer have jobs because their employers have gone bankrupt. <cite>TheCyborgNinja posted...</cite> <quote>Part of how the West came to dominate the world was relatively unrestricted scientific advancement following the dark ages. This is what causes dark ages.</quote> ...what? Just... what?</quote> He is stifling innovation with measures to protect outdated industries that are better left to die and be replaced. Not just with this, but with all of his other anti-science bullshit... Trump is literally pulling a "Weekend at Bernie's" on an industry level.</quote> Except he's literally doing nothing of the sort. The actual innovation isn't at the point of manufacturing, which is literally the point that China is handling. For the most part, the innovation has happened in countries like the US and then the production has either started domestic then gotten outsourced or the designs are outright stolen by other nations. Among all the world's nations, few countries are as bad when it comes to IPs as China http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-34324252 https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/features/car-culture/its-a-knock-off-chinas-copycat-cars-at-the-2015-shanghai-motor-show/ And by allowing companies to take the fruits of innovation then undercut the innovators, you are STIFLING innovation. Inventors need to see the fruits of their labor in order to keep inventing. More importantly, it's not even just a case of China is doing it cheaper because they don't have our labor standards or safety standards, but their government actively subsidizes their manufacturing sector. Which, by the way, are things Trump promised to crack down on.... but he hasn't. Not until now and even that is a small measure. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| There are precious few at ease / With moral ambiguities / So we act as though they don't exist. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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