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TopicI am 100% for gender equality and stuff, but...
averagejoel
02/01/18 9:10:23 AM
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darkjedilink posted...
Okay, how about this - do you believe that it's entirely possible for an entire awards show night to ONLY award women?

Possible? I'm not really sure where you're going with this. I can clarify my stance if you want:
Art in general has been shaped by men throughout history. So much so that entire disciplines of art have been considered "lesser" because they're primarily done by women (reduced to craft that one does in the home). This is quite natural since men have been the ones evaluating art, as well as the ones doing the art. So it's become somewhat of a feedback loop, and resulted in a skewed sense of what "art", or "quality" means. So just as it might sound perfectly reasonable that only men get awards because they happened to be the best this year, we have to remember that the standards with which we assess art (or music, in this case) aren't infallible. They come from norms and traditions deeply rooted in history. See the feedback loop I'm trying to describe? I'm not great at explaining this, especially not in a second language. So what this can lead to is an opinion that awards such as the Oscars or the Grammys or whatever are not just evaluating the works according to some intangible standards, they are also part of implicitly defining those standards.

Mind you, this is not necessarily a feminist argument. It's along the same lines with e.g., people of color and the Oscars. All in all I think it's important that to have any sort of discussion like this the parties first need to agree with the purpose and function of awards. I hope I made myself clear, not trying to say you're wrong or anything.

this is absolutely correct, but I would like to add that novels were initially looked down on in this way (largely because many of the people who wrote them were women) and now they're probably the most popular form of literature
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