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Topic	Jordan Peterson "Can men and women work together in the workplace?"
COVxy 02/08/18 4:02:45 PM #92:	s0nicfan posted... The vast majority of evolutionary arguments, though, also work if you use the entirety of human history as evidence. Yes, "we're just evolved apes" isn't proof that humans will act like apes in certain contexts. Luckily we have billions of people to exist as the largest dataset possible, and billions more spread out over thousands of years of known human history. Again, just like Freudian psychoanalysis and evolutionary just-so stories, historical evidence is particularly poor evidence, as you can construct any story you want to post-hoc explain behavior without ever being able to test it empirically. Pretty much, if you say "we do this because of this evolved mechanism", you need to point to evidence that there actually does seem to be conservation of that mechanism across species. None of these arguments do so. They just say "look, this animal does this, we probably do too because of evolution!", or even worse they are just nonspecific philosophical arguments about human nature "we are just animals rummaging through the darkness and chaos!" Kazi1212 posted... Im just confused about the circadian rhythm part I guess. Because even if it was proven evolution played a role in shaping our behavior, Jordan Peterson would still never talk about the circadian rhythm because its wholly unrelated to the types of behavior he is interested in having a discussion about You don't think the circadian rhythm plays an important role in behavior? I would argue that you simply don't know enough about the circadian rhythm then. The issue is that rhythmic cycling of signalling molecules doesn't provide "deep" insights like "we are just animals rummaging around in the chaos and darkness of our life. Order brings us out of that darkness..." etc.. --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:895716527] in Jordan Pet... [t:76296362]...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote>The vast majority of evolutionary arguments, though, also work if you use the entirety of human history as evidence. Yes, "we're just evolved apes" isn't proof that humans will act like apes in certain contexts. Luckily we have billions of people to exist as the largest dataset possible, and billions more spread out over thousands of years of known human history. </quote> Again, just like Freudian psychoanalysis and evolutionary just-so stories, historical evidence is particularly poor evidence, as you can construct any story you want to post-hoc explain behavior without ever being able to test it empirically. Pretty much, if you say "we do this because of this evolved mechanism", you need to point to evidence that there actually does seem to be conservation of that mechanism across species. None of these arguments do so. They just say "look, this animal does this, we probably do too because of evolution!", or even worse they are just nonspecific philosophical arguments about human nature "we are just animals rummaging through the darkness and chaos!" <cite>Kazi1212 posted...</cite> <quote>Im just confused about the circadian rhythm part I guess. Because even if it was proven evolution played a role in shaping our behavior, Jordan Peterson would still never talk about the circadian rhythm because its wholly unrelated to the types of behavior he is interested in having a discussion about</quote> You don't think the circadian rhythm plays an important role in behavior? I would argue that you simply don't know enough about the circadian rhythm then. The issue is that rhythmic cycling of signalling molecules doesn't provide "deep" insights like "we are just animals rummaging around in the chaos and darkness of our life. Order brings us out of that darkness..." etc.. --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])]</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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