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Topic	As a truck driver I'm required to pass a physical every 2 yrs (gun control)
darkknight109 02/19/18 6:52:32 AM #62:	Rasmoh posted... They're not unless you don't train yourself to use them. (...) Guns, at worst, put you on equal ground with an attacker. No, guns at worst can be taken from you and used against you, which is worse than useless and has a very high chance of leaving you dead. No, if you're hoping to use a gun for self-defence, you're likely going to be disappointed because the nature of guns does not lend themselves to self defence. First off, they have to be drawn from wherever they're being carried and if that's in a concealed holster or a purse somewhere, you may as well give up at that point because you're never going to have time to draw it in an actual confrontation. If it's in an external holster you might have a chance... but you have to draw the weapon, get the safety off, aim, and fire all before your attacker reaches you. Cops - who have had more training with their weapons than Joe Average - ran experiments on this and determined that if the attacker was closer than 20 feet, they would be able to reach the cop before the cop could fire his weapon. How many muggings or rapes do you know of that occur at 20 feet? Most of the time you won't know your attacker is even there until it is far too late - they will be able to reach you long before you can reach your gun (and if they are armed as well, because, after all, guns are pretty easy to get in the good ol' US of A, you're fucked right and proper because they have the advantage of knowing when the confrontation is going to occur [and that it will occur at all] and prepping accordingly). And that's all in ideal conditions without accounting for the reality that you are going to be amped out of your mind on adrenaline. Gun preparation and use requires fine motor skills, which is the very first thing your body's fight-or-flight response shuts down. Best of luck hitting anything when your hands are shaking from the adrenaline rush, if you've even managed to get the safety off before you've been punched in the face. On the other hand, all that adrenaline means you'll be able to run faster and farther than you ever have in your life, so it's superb for running away. Speaking of which... Rasmoh posted... That's really not a better option than shooting a criminal. How high do you have to be to think it is? I believe you mean "how experienced". I've been in martial arts for 25 years. I've trained with (and trained) cops and run numerous self-defence courses over the years. The very first thing I tell everyone when talking about civilian self defence is to a) Avoid the situation if at all possible and b) If that's not possible, run your ass off. You fight only if you cannot run, and only until an opportunity to run appears, because odds are very good that your opponent will be a better fighter and more accustomed to violence than you and the odds you will win a physical confrontation, regardless of what tools you bring to the fight, are slim-to-none. Running doesn't require accuracy or fine motor skills. It's what your body already is trying to do, so said body is giving you some excellent tools to do it. It draws attention, which perps don't want, and can therefore get you help (make lots of noise while running to maximize this effect). At best, your attacker decides you're too much of a hassle and lets you go, in which case you survived (mission accomplished!). At worst, he gives chase and is faster than you, in which case you're no worse off than when you started. Take a self-defence course if you don't believe me - any instructor worth their salt will tell you to run at the earliest opportunity. --- Kill 1 man: You are a murderer. Kill 10 men: You are a monster. Kill 100 men: You are a hero. Kill 10,000 men, you are a conqueror! <cite>darkknight109 posted [p:896359604] in As a truck... [t:76322339]...</cite> <quote><cite>Rasmoh posted...</cite> <quote>They're not unless you don't train yourself to use them. (...) Guns, at worst, put you on equal ground with an attacker. </quote> No, guns at worst can be taken from you and used against you, which is worse than useless and has a very high chance of leaving you dead. No, if you're hoping to use a gun for self-defence, you're likely going to be disappointed because the nature of guns does not lend themselves to self defence. First off, they have to be drawn from wherever they're being carried and if that's in a concealed holster or a purse somewhere, you may as well give up at that point because you're never going to have time to draw it in an actual confrontation. If it's in an external holster you might have a chance... but you have to draw the weapon, get the safety off, aim, and fire all before your attacker reaches you. Cops - who have had more training with their weapons than Joe Average - ran experiments on this and determined that if the attacker was closer than 20 feet, they would be able to reach the cop before the cop could fire his weapon. How many muggings or rapes do you know of that occur at 20 feet? Most of the time you won't know your attacker is even there until it is far too late - they will be able to reach you long before you can reach your gun (and if they are armed as well, because, after all, guns are pretty easy to get in the good ol' US of A, you're fucked right and proper because they have the advantage of knowing when the confrontation is going to occur [and that it will occur at all] and prepping accordingly). And that's all in ideal conditions without accounting for the reality that you are going to be amped out of your mind on adrenaline. Gun preparation and use requires fine motor skills, which is the very first thing your body's fight-or-flight response shuts down. Best of luck hitting anything when your hands are shaking from the adrenaline rush, if you've even managed to get the safety off before you've been punched in the face. On the other hand, all that adrenaline means you'll be able to run faster and farther than you ever have in your life, so it's superb for running away. Speaking of which... <cite>Rasmoh posted...</cite> <quote>That's really not a better option than shooting a criminal. How high do you have to be to think it is?</quote> I believe you mean "how experienced". I've been in martial arts for 25 years. I've trained with (and trained) cops and run numerous self-defence courses over the years. The very first thing I tell everyone when talking about civilian self defence is to a) Avoid the situation if at all possible and b) If that's not possible, run your ass off. You fight only if you cannot run, and only until an opportunity to run appears, because odds are very good that your opponent will be a better fighter and more accustomed to violence than you and the odds you will win a physical confrontation, regardless of what tools you bring to the fight, are slim-to-none. Running doesn't require accuracy or fine motor skills. It's what your body already is trying to do, so said body is giving you some excellent tools to do it. It draws attention, which perps don't want, and can therefore get you help (make lots of noise while running to maximize this effect). At best, your attacker decides you're too much of a hassle and lets you go, in which case you survived (mission accomplished!). At worst, he gives chase and is faster than you, in which case you're no worse off than when you started. Take a self-defence course if you don't believe me - any instructor worth their salt will tell you to run at the earliest opportunity. --- Kill 1 man: You are a murderer. Kill 10 men: You are a monster. Kill 100 men: You are a hero. Kill 10,000 men, you are a conqueror!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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