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Topic	florida gov rick scott said they'd consider anything to stop gun violence in FL
Selenara 02/21/18 7:32:58 PM #38:	darkknight109 posted... Here's a more blown up view, with the (stagnant) US death rate for reference.: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/39/Gun_deaths_over_time_in_the_US_and_Australia.png While there certainly was a decline beforehand, said decline increases significantly right when the NFA took effect. That's still not showing much before the gun laws took effect. Look at this chart instead: https://uploads.guim.co.uk/2016/03/08/firearm-homicides.svg Correlation also does not imply causation. There was already a downward trend, as we've noted. Whatever was responsible for this preexisting downward trend may have been responsible for the results you're crediting to the gun control laws. darkknight109 posted... Not really. Nearly all first-world countries have an overall murder rate around 1 per 100k - restricting it to just firearms would frequently give you a number less than 1. The US is the only major outlier there because - surprise surprise - lots of guns means lots of killing. http://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/rp-pr/csj-sjc/crime/rr06_2/rr06_2.pdf Table 10 shows the number of gun homicides in Canada by year for a decade before and after gun control laws passed. You can see that there was already a downward trend, and that compared to the US there was not a significant problem with gun violence. darkknight109 posted... Gun deaths in 2012: 226 (6.3 per 100k) Gun deaths in 2016: 164 (4.6 per 100k) Those numbers include homicides, suicides and accidents. I was looking for a gun homicide statistic, because the typical trend is for gun suicides to drop while homicides remain relatively unaffected. darkknight109 posted... Violent crime has dropped across the US over those four years, but Connecticut's rates have fallen farther and faster than anywhere else in the US. Correlation does not imply causation. There are many factors that affect gun crime and gun homicides (two separate issues) besides gun control laws. darkknight109 posted... a separate study estimated that different gun law tightening in 1994 may have accounted for as much as a 40% drop in gun crime, based on analysis of demographics, nearby states, and other such factors There are other studies that show the opposite however, so this is debatable. The first post in this thread has a lot of food for thought: https://www.reddit.com/r/progun/comments/2wnrb2/looking_for_unbiased_facts_about_gun_use/ <cite>Selenara posted [p:896522962] in florida go... [t:76340277]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkknight109 posted...</cite> <quote>Here's a more blown up view, with the (stagnant) US death rate for reference.: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/39/Gun_deaths_over_time_in_the_US_and_Australia.png While there certainly was a decline beforehand, said decline increases significantly right when the NFA took effect.</quote> That's still not showing much before the gun laws took effect. Look at this chart instead: https://uploads.guim.co.uk/2016/03/08/firearm-homicides.svg Correlation also does not imply causation. There was already a downward trend, as we've noted. Whatever was responsible for this preexisting downward trend may have been responsible for the results you're crediting to the gun control laws. <cite>darkknight109 posted...</cite> <quote>Not really. Nearly all first-world countries have an overall murder rate around 1 per 100k - restricting it to just firearms would frequently give you a number less than 1. The US is the only major outlier there because - surprise surprise - lots of guns means lots of killing.</quote> http://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/rp-pr/csj-sjc/crime/rr06_2/rr06_2.pdf Table 10 shows the number of gun homicides in Canada by year for a decade before and after gun control laws passed. You can see that there was already a downward trend, and that compared to the US there was not a significant problem with gun violence. <cite>darkknight109 posted...</cite> <quote>Gun deaths in 2012: 226 (6.3 per 100k) Gun deaths in 2016: 164 (4.6 per 100k)</quote> Those numbers include homicides, suicides and accidents. I was looking for a gun homicide statistic, because the typical trend is for gun suicides to drop while homicides remain relatively unaffected. <cite>darkknight109 posted...</cite> <quote>Violent crime has dropped across the US over those four years, but Connecticut's rates have fallen farther and faster than anywhere else in the US.</quote> Correlation does not imply causation. There are many factors that affect gun crime and gun homicides (two separate issues) besides gun control laws. <cite>darkknight109 posted...</cite> <quote>a separate study estimated that different gun law tightening in 1994 may have accounted for as much as a 40% drop in gun crime, based on analysis of demographics, nearby states, and other such factors</quote> There are other studies that show the opposite however, so this is debatable. The first post in this thread has a lot of food for thought: https://www.reddit.com/r/progun/comments/2wnrb2/looking_for_unbiased_facts_about_gun_use/</quote> ... 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