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Topic	Ireland legalized abortion
adjl 05/29/18 10:58:03 AM #25:	TheWorstPoster posted... Yes, since you are ending the life of an innocent person. Even if legal by doctors, would still be homicide. And yet it happens every single day. TheWorstPoster posted... The patient may still have consent to do so to the doctors. They may, but many (my own father included) haven't. In the (very common) absence of a formal DNR order or similar advance directive, loved ones and doctors have to make decisions about whether or not to prolong life support, decisions which are based largely on what sort of quality of life can be expected if the person is given a chance to recover. The way I see it, abortion's no different from that, except for not being able to make personal considerations based on what you know about the person's values (since they don't have any yet). iCurious posted... adjl posted... Is it murder to take somebody off life support? Applied artificial prolonging of a dying person's life vs removing someone from their only natural and biological source of survival - and one that wasn't asked for in the first place I might add. You seem logical enough to spot a difference here. The natural/artificial distinction doesn't mean a whole lot. Heck, if you want to be really pedantic, human reproduction is already technically artificial, since the only criterion necessary for calling an object or process artificial is that humans make/perform it. The only salient difference is that you can't take prior wishes into account when determining what sort of life the person in question would rather miss out on than survive to see. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:902175813] in Ireland le... [t:76650324]...</cite> <quote><cite>TheWorstPoster posted...</cite> <quote>Yes, since you are ending the life of an innocent person. Even if legal by doctors, would still be homicide.</quote> And yet it happens every single day. <cite>TheWorstPoster posted...</cite> <quote>The patient may still have consent to do so to the doctors.</quote> They may, but many (my own father included) haven't. In the (very common) absence of a formal DNR order or similar advance directive, loved ones and doctors have to make decisions about whether or not to prolong life support, decisions which are based largely on what sort of quality of life can be expected if the person is given a chance to recover. The way I see it, abortion's no different from that, except for not being able to make personal considerations based on what you know about the person's values (since they don't have any yet). <cite>iCurious posted...</cite> <quote><cite>adjl posted...</cite> <quote>Is it murder to take somebody off life support?</quote> Applied artificial prolonging of a dying person's life vs removing someone from their only natural and biological source of survival - and one that wasn't asked for in the first place I might add. You seem logical enough to spot a difference here.</quote> The natural/artificial distinction doesn't mean a whole lot. Heck, if you want to be really pedantic, human reproduction is already technically artificial, since the only criterion necessary for calling an object or process artificial is that humans make/perform it. The only salient difference is that you can't take prior wishes into account when determining what sort of life the person in question would rather miss out on than survive to see. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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