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ParanoidObsessive posted...

On the other hand, we implicitly accept the idea that it's humane, moral, and acceptable to remove children from parents when said parents are criminals, abusers, or considered corrupting influences (the entire reason child services departments exist).

If you extend that logic to the fact that illegal immigrants are, you know, illegal (ie, criminals), and that some immigrants do indeed exploit US citizenship laws to get their children born on US soil to exploit loopholes to get their own residency tacitly approved or supported, and an argument does arise that the morality of such becomes much murkier, and more rooted in HOW the process is handled rather than whether it happens at all.

The issue with this premise is the fact that we're literally talking about ripping the children away, putting them in an abandoned store, possibly putting them in "tent cities" in the start of Summer, having atrocious conditions either way, literally using this as a "deterrent" against immigration, and some idiot hiding behind the Bible for their actions as we call them out on it.

...Compared to the previously-already broken systems of Child Protective Services or Justice, which need some serious work, true, but aren't what we're talking about. It's like "Fox News" and the Trump Administration's love for the "What About..." Strategy to any argument; nobody's talking about that, no matter how related you might think it is. It would be like if you were ever pulled over for going 100MPH on the wrong side of a 55 Highway, and you asked the officer trying to do their job, "Hey, what about that driver over there going 80, over on the other side of the freeway?!" That serves as nothing more than a diversion from the issue currently being faced.

And you do NOT extend this to the immigrants because: 1) they would rather take the risk against a law of the land they do not recognize, versus staying where they currently are, and 2) a severe amount of immigration cases are people seeking shelter for their very lives, thus making immigration as an issue more of a symptom rather than the illness. In that, every member of Trump's administration who says this separation of treatment of children is a deterrent is basically saying to Mexico "Don't come here to solve your crisis, because we're just as bad, or worse, for our own reasons. Any same member who hides behind the heavily cherry-picked Bible is trying as hard as is possible to justify their actions to themselves and the god they believe in when, deep down, they know that this sort of thing is wrong. That's just horrible logic, and I know you're able to do better in your sleep, PO.

ParanoidObsessive posted...

There are very few issues in the world that are absolutely black-and-white. And no matter how much the Internet loves to portray Trump as a mustache-twirling supervillain, he doesn't go around doing things solely for the evil lulz.

On the contrary, from what I've seen, it portrays Donald as a self-serving imbecile who hurts or bashes others because they pose a threat to his egocentric bubble. Note the people he praised one day, and then turned on as they are caught by Mueller for one act or another. Note his horrendous picks for EPA, Education, Justice, and more.
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