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Topic	Was "I am no man" in the LotR books? (spoilers)
Southernfatman 08/06/18 11:56:14 AM #36:	scar the 1 posted... I think most authors from that time would be considered both racist and sexist today. As long as a text lives in some way in some canon, it's quite fair - and important - to criticize it and think about how it relates to our current values. Oh certainly. I just never found it fair when people called LOTR and other Tolkien works sexist. In a sense, they are, but I don't think it's the author reflecting his own personal views through his work in this case. I could be wrong, but I don't get that vibe from reading the text. I think the story of Beren and Luthien and Eowyn's arc in LOTR show that Tolkien was against gender norms and stereotypes in some fashion at least wouldn't it? I compare it with the racism label in the fact that even in the text itself it shows the opposite in some way. Sam sees the body of dead enemy man in Two Towersnd reflects that perhaps he wasn't exactly a bad person full of pure evil. Even the good "white" race (as critics called them) fell under Sauron's sway at one point. --- https://imgur.com/hslUvRN When I sin I sin real good. <cite>Southernfatman posted [p:906364214] in Was "... [t:76874825]...</cite> <quote><cite>scar the 1 posted...</cite> <quote> I think most authors from that time would be considered both racist and sexist today. As long as a text lives in some way in some canon, it's quite fair - and important - to criticize it and think about how it relates to our current values.</quote> Oh certainly. I just never found it fair when people called LOTR and other Tolkien works sexist. In a sense, they are, but I don't think it's the author reflecting his own personal views through his work in this case. I could be wrong, but I don't get that vibe from reading the text. I think the story of Beren and Luthien and Eowyn's arc in LOTR show that Tolkien was against gender norms and stereotypes in some fashion at least wouldn't it? I compare it with the racism label in the fact that even in the text itself it shows the opposite in some way. Sam sees the body of dead enemy man in Two Towersnd reflects that perhaps he wasn't exactly a bad person full of pure evil. Even the good "white" race (as critics called them) fell under Sauron's sway at one point. --- https://imgur.com/hslUvRN When I sin I sin real good.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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