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Topic	Stage banning really is pretty stupid for Smash tournaments
AsucaHayashi 08/06/18 3:12:02 PM #101:	Zero_Destroyer posted... The "play however you want" thing is dictated by the game, ergo people can make rulesets within the boundaries of the game. You don't seem to get this. I'm not arguing players in a tournament setting get to play however they want, I'm arguing that the game allows for those rulesets to be made without violating "what the game intended" because the game is intended to be customizable. The community decided on customizing based around rulesets that restricted items/stages. This has been the case for nearly 2 decades with most of the debate within that community happened over a decade ago. the community decided that a game that was "intended to be customizable" never to let a specific type of customization anywhere close to a tournament setting. Why do you know better than the participants of that community? this isn't about knowing better... this is about using incredibly weak rationalizations and logic in order to support a flawed argument. GiftedACIII posted... This is like asking why developers use patches to nerf and buff things your argument doesn't work since choosing what to remove in smash has absolutely nothing to do with the devs and everything to do with what the "community" decides regardless what anyone else wants in the matter. The reason those things were banned generally had to do with game balance or removing random elements. all of which are part of the game's inherent design which i already chimed in on earlier: it's almost as if some games weren't designed for tournament play yet people still insist they can and should be when you implement x and y and z restrictions! I have never seen people in my many years of participating in the community seriously suggest "We should make items legal". i guess as long as you personally haven't seen it, then it must be true.. Nobody is clamoring to play Temple in tournament because they know somebody will pick Sonic and that Sonic player will Spin Dash camp/run for 8 minutes. again something you cannot reliably prove in any sort of way. all it takes is me to walk into any smash tournament, put my name and money down and demand it to be so and i'll promptly be shut down immediately. --- http://abload.de/img/pcgamingxtuvt.jpg https://imgur.com/9Yv0R2Z <cite>AsucaHayashi posted [p:906374620] in Stage bann... [t:76872962]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zero_Destroyer posted...</cite> <quote>The "play however you want" thing is dictated by the game, ergo people can make rulesets within the boundaries of the game. You don't seem to get this. I'm not arguing players in a tournament setting get to play however they want, I'm arguing that the game allows for those rulesets to be made without violating "what the game intended" because the game is intended to be customizable. The community decided on customizing based around rulesets that restricted items/stages. This has been the case for nearly 2 decades with most of the debate within that community happened over a decade ago.</quote> the community decided that a game that was "intended to be customizable" never to let a specific type of customization anywhere close to a tournament setting. Why do you know better than the participants of that community? this isn't about knowing better... this is about using incredibly weak rationalizations and logic in order to support a flawed argument. <cite>GiftedACIII posted...</cite> <quote>This is like asking why developers use patches to nerf and buff things</quote> your argument doesn't work since choosing what to remove in smash has absolutely nothing to do with the devs and everything to do with what the "community" decides regardless what anyone else wants in the matter. The reason those things were banned generally had to do with game balance or removing random elements. all of which are part of the game's inherent design which i already chimed in on earlier: it's almost as if some games weren't designed for tournament play yet people still insist they can and should be when you implement x and y and z restrictions! I have never seen people in my many years of participating in the community seriously suggest "We should make items legal". i guess as long as you personally haven't seen it, then it must be true.. Nobody is clamoring to play Temple in tournament because they know somebody will pick Sonic and that Sonic player will Spin Dash camp/run for 8 minutes. again something you cannot reliably prove in any sort of way. all it takes is me to walk into any smash tournament, put my name and money down and demand it to be so and i'll promptly be shut down immediately. --- http://abload.de/img/pcgamingxtuvt.jpg https://imgur.com/9Yv0R2Z</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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