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Topic	Stage banning really is pretty stupid for Smash tournaments
AsucaHayashi 08/06/18 5:39:22 PM #128:	Balrog0 posted... but we restrict ourselves to whatever arbitrary crap the devs thought made the gameplay work why is it bad when players make further restrictions on that to make the game play work? we're not comparing it arbitrarily since we're not judging smash by its own merit. we're comparing it to every other competitive fighter out there whose communities don't need to take drastic steps in order to make their game of choice balanced and playable in order to showcase player skill. GiftedACIII posted... Again, what is even your point with bringing up the latter? That smash should just not have a competitive scene at all? no, if pokemon can have a competitive scene then smash players are certainly entitled to. You yourself have said that it's one of the most popular games there is so obviously that's not going to happen. Yes, the base game is unbalanced and unsuitable for competitive play. All the alterations done to it for the for glory leaderboard matches is. that's pretty much all there is to it. all this back and forth ITT has basically been an effort to get the point across that the smash competitive scene is almost entirely an arbitrarily community-driven effort while the rest of the FGC are part of competitive scenes that are non-arbitrarily developer-driven efforts since the community has next to no say in how the games should be played... and the competitive scenes are much, much better for it. Balrog0 posted... I still don't understand the relevance? What is the basis of your argument? You're basically saying you can play the game however you want, except competitively has to be based on what devs had in mind, right? How does that make sense to you? while i agree that it's arbitrary both ways whether it's what the community or devs have in mind, i'm far more inclined to believe the direction the devs choose for their games seeing as that's how nearly every other competitive game is played out there... except for smash. --- http://abload.de/img/pcgamingxtuvt.jpg https://imgur.com/9Yv0R2Z <cite>AsucaHayashi posted [p:906383608] in Stage bann... [t:76872962]...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote>but we restrict ourselves to whatever arbitrary crap the devs thought made the gameplay work why is it bad when players make further restrictions on that to make the game play work?</quote> we're not comparing it arbitrarily since we're not judging smash by its own merit. we're comparing it to every other competitive fighter out there whose communities don't need to take drastic steps in order to make their game of choice balanced and playable in order to showcase player skill. <cite>GiftedACIII posted...</cite> <quote>Again, what is even your point with bringing up the latter? That smash should just not have a competitive scene at all?</quote> no, if pokemon can have a competitive scene then smash players are certainly entitled to. You yourself have said that it's one of the most popular games there is so obviously that's not going to happen. Yes, the base game is unbalanced and unsuitable for competitive play. All the alterations done to it for the for glory leaderboard matches is. that's pretty much all there is to it. all this back and forth ITT has basically been an effort to get the point across that the smash competitive scene is almost entirely an arbitrarily community-driven effort while the rest of the FGC are part of competitive scenes that are non-arbitrarily developer-driven efforts since the community has next to no say in how the games should be played... and the competitive scenes are much, much better for it. <cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote>I still don't understand the relevance? What is the basis of your argument? You're basically saying you can play the game however you want, except competitively has to be based on what devs had in mind, right? How does that make sense to you?</quote> while i agree that it's arbitrary both ways whether it's what the community or devs have in mind, i'm far more inclined to believe the direction the devs choose for their games seeing as that's how nearly every other competitive game is played out there... except for smash. --- http://abload.de/img/pcgamingxtuvt.jpg https://imgur.com/9Yv0R2Z</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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