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Topic	Mexican Trump Supporter who wishes she was WHITE causes OUTRAGE in Florida!!!
Zeus 10/13/18 8:15:11 PM #33:	Zero_Maniac posted... The vast majority of minorities in America are anti-2nd Amendment Blatantly untrue, since blacks make up the largest minority and are pretty heavy into gun ownership. Zero_Maniac posted... pro big government whereas a slight majority of whites are pro 2nd Amendment and pro small government. These latter values are two basic values that are key to American culture. Cultures are made from values and traditions, and these two values were and are particularly important for America. While it's not fair to say that because someone is of a certain race or ethnic group that they must hold these beliefs, it is fair to say that, in general, on average, certain people belonging to certain racial/ethnic groups tend to hold certain beliefs. Politics by itself isn't a surrogate for culture. Keep in mind that homogenous nations also have sharp political divides and, of course, races worldwide hold different political stances which further undermines your argument because you still need to recognize nationality or ethnicity to make your argument work. Zero_Maniac posted... You can also disprove the notion of race being a "catch-all for appearance" on a biological level. Some races are more prone to certain diseases and medical conditions than others, and for some organ transplants (but not all) you want a replacement from someone of the same race because other races have too many differences in said organ. Again, that's not merely race, that's more a matter of ethnicity. And pretending that race isn't merely a matter of appearance is laughable considering the history of race as a construct which at one point used things like the paper-bag test to determine race. The rest of your post I'm not even touching. You don't need to shout, "I'm not racist!", because I wasn't going to accuse you of being racist. However, while you cite racial averages, you're really overlooking that ethnicities are driving those averages one way or the other, which is why looking at race as a composite is somewhat meaningless. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| There are precious few at ease / With moral ambiguities / So we act as though they don't exist. <cite>Zeus posted [p:910479940] in Mexican Tr... [t:77080367]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zero_Maniac posted...</cite> <quote>The vast majority of minorities in America are anti-2nd Amendment </quote> Blatantly untrue, since blacks make up the largest minority and are pretty heavy into gun ownership. <cite>Zero_Maniac posted...</cite> <quote>pro big government whereas a slight majority of whites are pro 2nd Amendment and pro small government. These latter values are two basic values that are key to American culture. Cultures are made from values and traditions, and these two values were and are particularly important for America. While it's not fair to say that because someone is of a certain race or ethnic group that they must hold these beliefs, it is fair to say that, in general, on average, certain people belonging to certain racial/ethnic groups tend to hold certain beliefs.</quote> Politics by itself isn't a surrogate for culture. Keep in mind that homogenous nations also have sharp political divides and, of course, races worldwide hold different political stances which further undermines your argument because you still need to recognize nationality or ethnicity to make your argument work. <cite>Zero_Maniac posted...</cite> <quote>You can also disprove the notion of race being a "catch-all for appearance" on a biological level. Some races are more prone to certain diseases and medical conditions than others, and for some organ transplants (but not all) you want a replacement from someone of the same race because other races have too many differences in said organ.</quote> Again, that's not merely race, that's more a matter of ethnicity. And pretending that race isn't merely a matter of appearance is laughable considering the history of race as a construct which at one point used things like the paper-bag test to determine race. The rest of your post I'm not even touching. You don't need to shout, "I'm not racist!", because I wasn't going to accuse you of being racist. However, while you cite racial averages, you're really overlooking that ethnicities are driving those averages one way or the other, which is why looking at race as a composite is somewhat meaningless. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| There are precious few at ease / With moral ambiguities / So we act as though they don't exist. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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