What makes you think Dave Chapelle made jokes to hate on politically lgbt people? You sincerely believe he is anti-lgbt?
While this topic was inspired by the Chapelle discussions, it's not specifically about him. I've been seeing this argument for years now.
I don't know what his sincerely heartfelt beliefs on LGBT issues are. I'd bet that he's above average on them compared to the general population. But my understanding is that the premise of the jokes is that LGBT people have gone off the deep end with all the orientations and are too protected/sensitive to criticism. That's what I mean when I say premises can be political and should be up for debate.
The difference between a joke and a political statement is the person delivering the joke is exaggerating and not speaking reality. A person delivering a politcal statement is convicted and believes inherently that it is not exaggerated.
Ex: Rodney Dangerfield joke: My wife and I were happy for twenty years. Then we met.
Haha
Now is he serious? He and his wife hate each other ? No. He is poking fun at the idea that marriages are often like this. But that doesn't mean he buys into it.
To criticize Dave in regards to his jokes as being dangerous political statements, you are suggesting he is not hyperbolic, not doing it in good fun. He is malicious and harbors the idea himself.
Otherwise, what is the issue? If Dave loves lgbt people and is just being hyperbolic and exaggerated, what is the issue?
Says every black guy has white friend. His white friend races the cops while drunk. Tells cop he didn't know he couldn't do that. Cop is like, now you know, have a good night.
Is this exaggerated? Does he really think white guys can do this? Is chip a real person? Was this something that actually happened or did he make it up for a laugh?
This is how comedy works.
It seems like you agree that it wouldn't have been okay if their points had been anti women or racist. That's the core of my argument. Someone shouldn't be able to dress up racist ideas with presumed laughter and ride off into the sunset unchallenged.
And that second one is a great example of why I don't consider any subjects out of bounds. The subject is a controversial one, but the premise is the existence and ridiculousness of anti black cop sentiment and white privilege, not that cops are actually right to racially profile or ignore other people's crimes.
The first one is just old school anti wife comedy that's slightly misogynistic, but mostly formulaic. I think it's done mostly on the understanding that comic just told those types of joke back then and on the understanding that they actually love each other.
For Chapelle, I don't know if there's that underlying assumption or that turning against an unnamed and powerful bias. The joke appears to be that the LGBT community and their defenders are the group that needs to be taken down a peg. ---