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darkknight109 09/01/19 7:32:03 PM #132:	LinkPizza posted... Except for the fact that a good percentage of our customers are wheelchair bound and need to be strapped down, so we still need drivers to help with that for the shuttle replacing the bus. Except that can be done at the stop, meaning you would need one attendant per stop rather than per vehicle. And given that these people would not require the driving credentials of a professional driver, they would cost less too - a high school student could do that level of work. There's also the issue of insurance. Because self-driving vehicles are incredibly safe, their insurance costs are far, far lower than even the most careful human driver. From an insurer's perspective, it's basically free money - an automated, low-risk system that virtually never gets in at-fault accidents is pretty much their ideal customer. LinkPizza posted... You say that, but there was a guy on this site that lost his wife to a drunk driver. And he was very against the self-driving cars himself. Counterpoint: my best friend's mother, someone I was very close to, died to a drunk driver and I'd swap all vehicles on the road to self-driving ones in a heartbeat if it was within my power to do so. Personal anecdotes don't mean much in arguments like this. LinkPizza posted... I just dont want to be around when shit hits the fan. But you will be - that's my point. Unless you are already in your 60s, you are vastly overestimating the time involved with self-driving car adoption if you think this won't be a thing in your lifetime. If you're part of the average demographics of this forum, it'll probably hit long before retirement is in sight for you. So you have a choice right now. You can sit and complain about how unfair the whole thing is, which is just going to put people in the mind of a toddler whining that his toy got taken away, or you can start talking about how we can mitigate the negative effects of this, which is an actual solution to the problems you're raising. If you're just going to complain, you may as well stop wasting everyone's time - including your own - because no one will listen. If you want to talk about viable ways to make this technology work for the betterment of all people, then you have grounds for a good discussion. LinkPizza posted... But I dont believe everything will be automated (or close to everything) in 10 years. "Everything" won't be, in the same way that not everyone has a smart phone or Facebook account today. But it will be commonplace in that timeframe - common enough that businesses will adopt it and people will lose jobs over it. LinkPizza posted... Yes. They are more effective. But as I said, they wont be as effective as they can be until everyone has them. Irrelevant - they don't need to be at peak effectiveness; as I've said, they just need to be more effective than us, and they already are. It's not even that high a bar to surpass. To borrow a (modified) George Carlin quote: think about how stupid the average driver is, then realize that half of them are even stupider than that. --- Kill 1 man: You are a murderer. Kill 10 men: You are a monster. Kill 100 men: You are a hero. Kill 10,000 men, you are a conqueror! <cite>darkknight109 posted [p:926835661] in Upcoming r... [t:77974916]...</cite> <quote>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote>Except for the fact that a good percentage of our customers are wheelchair bound and need to be strapped down, so we still need drivers to help with that for the shuttle replacing the bus.</quote> Except that can be done at the stop, meaning you would need one attendant per stop rather than per vehicle. And given that these people would not require the driving credentials of a professional driver, they would cost less too - a high school student could do that level of work. There's also the issue of insurance. Because self-driving vehicles are incredibly safe, their insurance costs are far, far lower than even the most careful human driver. From an insurer's perspective, it's basically free money - an automated, low-risk system that virtually never gets in at-fault accidents is pretty much their ideal customer. LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote>You say that, but there was a guy on this site that lost his wife to a drunk driver. And he was very against the self-driving cars himself.</quote> Counterpoint: my best friend's mother, someone I was very close to, died to a drunk driver and I'd swap all vehicles on the road to self-driving ones in a heartbeat if it was within my power to do so. Personal anecdotes don't mean much in arguments like this. LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote>I just dont want to be around when shit hits the fan.</quote> But you will be - that's my point. Unless you are already in your 60s, you are vastly overestimating the time involved with self-driving car adoption if you think this won't be a thing in your lifetime. If you're part of the average demographics of this forum, it'll probably hit long before retirement is in sight for you. So you have a choice right now. You can sit and complain about how unfair the whole thing is, which is just going to put people in the mind of a toddler whining that his toy got taken away, or you can start talking about how we can mitigate the negative effects of this, which is an actual solution to the problems you're raising. If you're just going to complain, you may as well stop wasting everyone's time - including your own - because no one will listen. If you want to talk about viable ways to make this technology work for the betterment of all people, then you have grounds for a good discussion. LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote>But I dont believe everything will be automated (or close to everything) in 10 years.</quote> "Everything" won't be, in the same way that not everyone has a smart phone or Facebook account today. But it will be commonplace in that timeframe - common enough that businesses will adopt it and people will lose jobs over it. LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote>Yes. They are more effective. But as I said, they wont be as effective as they can be until everyone has them. </quote> Irrelevant - they don't need to be at peak effectiveness; as I've said, they just need to be more effective than us, and they already are. It's not even that high a bar to surpass. To borrow a (modified) George Carlin quote: think about how stupid the average driver is, then realize that half of them are even stupider than that. --- Kill 1 man: You are a murderer. Kill 10 men: You are a monster. Kill 100 men: You are a hero. Kill 10,000 men, you are a conqueror!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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