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Topic	So Apparently It's Now Illegal To Say "Illegal Alien" In New York
aDirtyShisno 10/01/19 12:32:06 PM #89:	kangolcone posted... aDirtyShisno posted... adjl posted... aDirtyShisno posted... Specifically in the workplace, housing, and public accommodations. New York City has declared using the phrase illegal alien can be considered workplace harassment even if talking about illegal immigrants in general and not referring to any particular employees, if an employee becomes afraid from possible discrimination. Go back to your country, threatening to call ICE, and other similar phrases could also constitute harassment even if the immigration status of an unlawful immigrant is not in dispute. This really shouldn't be particularly objectionable. It's just spelling out something that most would already know to be true. You could already make a workplace harassment case off of such comments even without them being explicitly spelled out, this is simply a matter of making it clear to the dickwads who consider this acceptable conduct that it's not. If Im at work and I see a news report about Trump finally building his wall and I say something like Yeah, no more illegal aliens coming in that way I should not be guilty of a crime just because my coworker broke the law when entering the country. Well if you think the wall will stop illegal aliens, then you arent really knowledgeable on the situation. 62% of people in the US without proper documentation are people who had documentation and then it expired. Secondly, you would be subject to a fine relative to the perceived level of injury. If you said this comment one time and didnt direct it at anybody, it would be small, but likely nothing because it wasnt used to harass or demean that colleague. But the law is worded specifically broadly to allow a perceived injury when there absolutely shouldnt be. The fact that someone could feel you *might* be harassing them because you said a phrase that was not directed at them at all, and because of that fear they could report you as being in violation of the law, is ludicrously vague. It opens up the possibility that just saying illegal alien may find you afoul of the law. And the victim, whom you might not even know was undocumented when speaking in general about undocumented immigrants, is the one who decides if you were being abusive no matter if you had hostile intent. It is a gross violation of the First Amendment. --- Que sera, sera. Whatever happens, happens. ...and he was never heard from again. <cite>aDirtyShisno posted [p:928189154] in So Apparen... [t:78054767]...</cite> <quote>kangolcone posted...</cite> <quote>aDirtyShisno posted...</cite> <quote>adjl posted...</cite> <quote>aDirtyShisno posted...</cite> <quote>Specifically in the workplace, housing, and public accommodations. New York City has declared using the phrase illegal alien can be considered workplace harassment even if talking about illegal immigrants in general and not referring to any particular employees, if an employee becomes afraid from possible discrimination. Go back to your country, threatening to call ICE, and other similar phrases could also constitute harassment even if the immigration status of an unlawful immigrant is not in dispute.</quote> This really shouldn't be particularly objectionable. It's just spelling out something that most would already know to be true. You could already make a workplace harassment case off of such comments even without them being explicitly spelled out, this is simply a matter of making it clear to the dickwads who consider this acceptable conduct that it's not.</quote> If Im at work and I see a news report about Trump finally building his wall and I say something like Yeah, no more illegal aliens coming in that way I should not be guilty of a crime just because my coworker broke the law when entering the country.</quote> Well if you think the wall will stop illegal aliens, then you arent really knowledgeable on the situation. 62% of people in the US without proper documentation are people who had documentation and then it expired. Secondly, you would be subject to a fine relative to the perceived level of injury. If you said this comment one time and didnt direct it at anybody, it would be small, but likely nothing because it wasnt used to harass or demean that colleague.</quote> But the law is worded specifically broadly to allow a perceived injury when there absolutely shouldnt be. The fact that someone could feel you might be harassing them because you said a phrase that was not directed at them at all, and because of that fear they could report you as being in violation of the law, is ludicrously vague. It opens up the possibility that just saying illegal alien may find you afoul of the law. And the victim, whom you might not even know was undocumented when speaking in general about undocumented immigrants, is the one who decides if you were being abusive no matter if you had hostile intent. It is a gross violation of the First Amendment. --- Que sera, sera. Whatever happens, happens. ...and he was never heard from again.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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