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Topic	Rob Schneider Attacks LIBERALS for SILENCING the ANTI-VAXX MOVEMENT!!!
adjl 11/27/19 12:26:29 AM #45:	HornedLion posted... So, to my point, a child exhibits excellent eye contact, speech, name response... all things incompatible with ASD and then they lose it all after their vaccination. Thats a clear cause and effect. No, that's a clear correlation (provided it is actually that clear, which is very difficult when you're dealing with subjective assessments performed in hindsight). Correlations are not causal relationships. They can be reason to investigate further to identify a causal relationship, but you cannot presume cause and effect with just a correlation. Look up the Bradford Hill Criteria if you want to learn more about the distinction and how it's applied to matters of public health. HornedLion posted... Is it that preposterous to think that a child under the age of 1 cannot have honey, pure... organic... natural honey(that gets filtered through the digestive system) because their body cannot handle it and possible bacteria that weve all been exposed to and inhabit us... but its okay for them to take a bunch of chemicals directly into the bloodstream with no ill effect? All honey - however natural or organic - contains a known quantity of C. botulinum spores (that is, the dormant form of the bacterium that causes botulism). That concentration is too low to be dangerous to adults, but high enough to be dangerous to the undeveloped infant immune system. Filtering it through the digestive system has nothing to do with that, nor does it being "pure" or "natural." Ingesting a quantity of botulinum spores that is more than your immune system can handle will make you very, very sick. Why you're comparing something that has been conclusively found to be a serious risk with a well-documented and understood mechanism to something as vague as "a bunch of chemicals" with no identified mechanism of harmful action, I really don't know. Also, most vaccines are delivered intramuscularly, not "directly into the bloodstream." Off-hand, I can't think of any intravenous vaccines. If you want to be taken seriously, you should probably try to get your facts straight and avoid jumping into transparent, melodramatic emotional appeals like that. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:930759770] in Rob Schnei... [t:78199699]...</cite> <quote>HornedLion posted...</cite> <quote>So, to my point, a child exhibits excellent eye contact, speech, name response... all things incompatible with ASD and then they lose it all after their vaccination. Thats a clear cause and effect.</quote> No, that's a clear correlation (provided it is actually that clear, which is very difficult when you're dealing with subjective assessments performed in hindsight). Correlations are not causal relationships. They can be reason to investigate further to identify a causal relationship, but you cannot presume cause and effect with just a correlation. Look up the Bradford Hill Criteria if you want to learn more about the distinction and how it's applied to matters of public health. HornedLion posted...</cite> <quote>Is it that preposterous to think that a child under the age of 1 cannot have honey, pure... organic... natural honey(that gets filtered through the digestive system) because their body cannot handle it and possible bacteria that weve all been exposed to and inhabit us... but its okay for them to take a bunch of chemicals directly into the bloodstream with no ill effect?</quote> All honey - however natural or organic - contains a known quantity of C. botulinum spores (that is, the dormant form of the bacterium that causes botulism). That concentration is too low to be dangerous to adults, but high enough to be dangerous to the undeveloped infant immune system. Filtering it through the digestive system has nothing to do with that, nor does it being "pure" or "natural." Ingesting a quantity of botulinum spores that is more than your immune system can handle will make you very, very sick. Why you're comparing something that has been conclusively found to be a serious risk with a well-documented and understood mechanism to something as vague as "a bunch of chemicals" with no identified mechanism of harmful action, I really don't know. Also, most vaccines are delivered intramuscularly, not "directly into the bloodstream." Off-hand, I can't think of any intravenous vaccines. If you want to be taken seriously, you should probably try to get your facts straight and avoid jumping into transparent, melodramatic emotional appeals like that. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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