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Topic	Rob Schneider Attacks LIBERALS for SILENCING the ANTI-VAXX MOVEMENT!!!
adjl 11/28/19 12:17:09 AM #58:	HornedLion posted... Except parents dont start recording kids only when they notice something is wrong. They have videos showing a kid exhibiting no ASD behaviors, and then videos post vaccination showing the loss of speech, eye contact, name response, etc. The key point is that the absence of evidence is not conclusive proof of absence. All their video evidence indicates is that they have no pre-vaccination video evidence of ASD behaviours, not that those behaviours weren't there. HornedLion posted... Dr. William Thompson is the CDC whistleblower with nothing to gain and all to lose by doing so. That's a name. A citation would include the data he released. Talking about how he has nothing to gain contributes nothing to your position and is another example of that pathos I criticized you for earlier. HornedLion posted... Are you saying that Im the only one finding numerous people at my 3 most recent jobs, and in everyday life, with this same story? No, I'm saying that approximately 2% of parents with an autistic child can be expected to see that timing purely through random chance. That means it's not the mere existence of people seeing that timing you should be fixating on, but rather making a statistical comparison (the people you've met at work are not an adequate sample size to draw a credible conclusion) between the actual number and that 2% (the null hypothesis, in this study). HornedLion posted... But all big pharma wants you to know is that vaccines didnt do it. We dont know what causes autism... but all we can say is that its definitely not our vaccines. And if somebody had published a fraudulent study saying that chicken caused autism instead, Big Chicken wouldn't be able to tell you what actually caused it but would say that it wasn't their chicken. It's not the responsibility of whatever entity you're baselessly blaming for a problem to offer a solution to that problem if they aren't actually causing it. That's just a silly thing to suggest. HornedLion posted... theres still a s* ton more people with an ASD child than there was 20 years ago. 1/5,000 in 1975 compared to 1/59 today. Ignoring the increase in number of vaccines today versus back then... it still should be a cause for concern. It is indeed. A sizable chunk of that increase is likely due to refining the diagnostic criteria such that you're simply getting more diagnoses, plus merging the whole spectrum under one disorder name is going to skew comparisons (I don't know if that 1/5000 figure you're giving is specifically for autism or if it's been adjusted to count everything that would be called ASD today), but there does definitely seem to be an uptick in autism diagnoses. It's concerning, but epidemiologists are studying it. It's best to just relax and let them figure it out. They'll get there eventually. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:930807470] in Rob Schnei... [t:78199699]...</cite> <quote>HornedLion posted...</cite> <quote>Except parents dont start recording kids only when they notice something is wrong. They have videos showing a kid exhibiting no ASD behaviors, and then videos post vaccination showing the loss of speech, eye contact, name response, etc.</quote> The key point is that the absence of evidence is not conclusive proof of absence. All their video evidence indicates is that they have no pre-vaccination video evidence of ASD behaviours, not that those behaviours weren't there. HornedLion posted...</cite> <quote>Dr. William Thompson is the CDC whistleblower with nothing to gain and all to lose by doing so. </quote> That's a name. A citation would include the data he released. Talking about how he has nothing to gain contributes nothing to your position and is another example of that pathos I criticized you for earlier. HornedLion posted...</cite> <quote>Are you saying that Im the only one finding numerous people at my 3 most recent jobs, and in everyday life, with this same story?</quote> No, I'm saying that approximately 2% of parents with an autistic child can be expected to see that timing purely through random chance. That means it's not the mere existence of people seeing that timing you should be fixating on, but rather making a statistical comparison (the people you've met at work are not an adequate sample size to draw a credible conclusion) between the actual number and that 2% (the null hypothesis, in this study). HornedLion posted...</cite> <quote>But all big pharma wants you to know is that vaccines didnt do it. We dont know what causes autism... but all we can say is that its definitely not our vaccines.</quote> And if somebody had published a fraudulent study saying that chicken caused autism instead, Big Chicken wouldn't be able to tell you what actually caused it but would say that it wasn't their chicken. It's not the responsibility of whatever entity you're baselessly blaming for a problem to offer a solution to that problem if they aren't actually causing it. That's just a silly thing to suggest. HornedLion posted...</cite> <quote>theres still a s* ton more people with an ASD child than there was 20 years ago. 1/5,000 in 1975 compared to 1/59 today. Ignoring the increase in number of vaccines today versus back then... it still should be a cause for concern.</quote> It is indeed. A sizable chunk of that increase is likely due to refining the diagnostic criteria such that you're simply getting more diagnoses, plus merging the whole spectrum under one disorder name is going to skew comparisons (I don't know if that 1/5000 figure you're giving is specifically for autism or if it's been adjusted to count everything that would be called ASD today), but there does definitely seem to be an uptick in autism diagnoses. It's concerning, but epidemiologists are studying it. It's best to just relax and let them figure it out. They'll get there eventually. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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