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Topic	'The prequels are worse than the Disney trilogy!!!"
Unbridled9 11/30/19 1:27:40 PM #46:	I recall hearing somewhere that Johnson considers movies good when they're controversial. If that's true than he certainly succeeded with TLJ but I think he forgot to factor in something very important; why the movie is controversial in the first place. Let's look at Fire Emblem: Three Houses for an example here. Edlegard is a very controversial character. Starting off as the lord of the house most people will pick on their first playthrough and as the closest thing to a 'poster child' a lot of people played her route first where she makes some choices which are, doubtless, extremely tough and difficult to achieve her ideal world. She does things like ally with those who caused her much pain and blames Rhea and the crest system for much of the ills in the world and is willing to do terrible things to try and improve the world by getting rid of the crest system, nobility, and other such things. This results in a situation in which the question of 'does the ends justify the means' becomes center-stage to the question of if you like or despise her. On the one hand she is responsible for things like TWSITD still being around and killing the characters father; but if she succeeds she gets rid of the crest system which is shown to be highly problematic, the church which is highly flawed due to Rhea, and other reforms effectively improving the world. Is she right or wrong? Good or evil? The problem is that, in TLJ, the controversy stems not from good writing, moral ambiguity, or anything else; but from its exact opposite. Terrible writing and plot, idiotic morality, and a complete lack of anything else. Non-answers abound, stupid decisions are constantly made, and terrible ideals are constantly forced and pushed about. The result is that a lot of people consider it a terrible movie while others consider it to not be a terrible movie effectively because 'it subverts' which is a TERRIBLE metric to use. --- I am the gentle hand who heals, the happy smile who shields, and the foot that will kick your *! - White Mage <cite>Unbridled9 posted [p:930912188] in 'The prequ... [t:78206278]...</cite> <quote>I recall hearing somewhere that Johnson considers movies good when they're controversial. If that's true than he certainly succeeded with TLJ but I think he forgot to factor in something very important; why the movie is controversial in the first place. Let's look at Fire Emblem: Three Houses for an example here. Edlegard is a very controversial character. Starting off as the lord of the house most people will pick on their first playthrough and as the closest thing to a 'poster child' a lot of people played her route first where she makes some choices which are, doubtless, extremely tough and difficult to achieve her ideal world. She does things like ally with those who caused her much pain and blames Rhea and the crest system for much of the ills in the world and is willing to do terrible things to try and improve the world by getting rid of the crest system, nobility, and other such things. This results in a situation in which the question of 'does the ends justify the means' becomes center-stage to the question of if you like or despise her. On the one hand she is responsible for things like TWSITD still being around and killing the characters father; but if she succeeds she gets rid of the crest system which is shown to be highly problematic, the church which is highly flawed due to Rhea, and other reforms effectively improving the world. Is she right or wrong? Good or evil? The problem is that, in TLJ, the controversy stems not from good writing, moral ambiguity, or anything else; but from its exact opposite. Terrible writing and plot, idiotic morality, and a complete lack of anything else. Non-answers abound, stupid decisions are constantly made, and terrible ideals are constantly forced and pushed about. The result is that a lot of people consider it a terrible movie while others consider it to not be a terrible movie effectively because 'it subverts' which is a TERRIBLE metric to use. --- I am the gentle hand who heals, the happy smile who shields, and the foot that will kick your *! - White Mage</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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