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BUMPED2002 12/15/19 12:45:56 PM #10:	Zeus posted... Pretty much everybody knows about their historical good, but we aren't in those days any more. Now unions are very different, with more of a net detriment to society especially because the largest unions are public-sector ones in fields not even close to resembling the historically dangerous ones where they helped. ...which was the work of Henry Ford rather than unions, since Ford's decision to implement it was the real turning point and prior to that unions hadn't made any real headway. In fact, a lot of things listed here are wrongly credited to unions. More importantly, the 40 hour workweek is generally a myth anyway. A lot of hourly employees are kept under a certain number of hours to avoid paying benefits and salaried workers tend to work longer. And many fields routinely require 50-70 hours per week. Please stop pretending that today's unions are of any relation to those. i did not say today's uniojs have the same influence as those old school unions because beginning in the 1960s/1970s there began a push from corps to get out from under the thumb of labor unions and I also disagree with your Henry Ford assessment. Ford used armed guards at his Mich plant to drive out union leadership and potential members so get that history before spouting off facts you have no clue about. In fact, the only reason Labor Unions ever existed to begin with was to combat corporate abuse. Go back and research Andrew Carnegie for one and you'll find they abused their workers in the late 19th and early 20th centuries because workers back then had no voice and there were no Gov rules and regs in place so employers did whatever they wanted to do to employees. Also keep in mind there was no retirement, no workman's comp, no unemployment etc so if a worker was injured on the job or became too old to work,, that person was 100% reliant upon family to care for them. So unions and Gov played a pivotal role in curtailing that situation and today we have people trying to turn back the clock. Secondly labor unions along with Government via FDR's New Deal programs and later on, the G.I. Bill played a pivotal role as well in the formation of the working Middle Class because prior to the 1930s, 1940s and 1950s, America did not have a Middle Class and if you know your history, the Great Depression was the driving force behind FDR's creation of the New Deal programs because he witnessed the destruction it had on average Americans. Prior to the G.I. Bill, Americans did not attend college either because college was thought of something that the wealthy did and most working-class Americans never gave college a thought until the G.I. Bill made it possible by paying the costs of college for returning servicemen after WW2. --- SpankageBros <cite>BUMPED2002 posted [p:931617687] in Labor unio... [t:78256442]...</cite> <quote>Zeus posted... </cite> <quote>Pretty much everybody knows about their historical good, but we aren't in those days any more. Now unions are very different, with more of a net detriment to society especially because the largest unions are public-sector ones in fields not even close to resembling the historically dangerous ones where they helped. ...which was the work of Henry Ford rather than unions, since Ford's decision to implement it was the real turning point and prior to that unions hadn't made any real headway. In fact, a lot of things listed here are wrongly credited to unions. More importantly, the 40 hour workweek is generally a myth anyway. A lot of hourly employees are kept under a certain number of hours to avoid paying benefits and salaried workers tend to work longer. And many fields routinely require 50-70 hours per week. Please stop pretending that today's unions are of any relation to those.</quote> i did not say today's uniojs have the same influence as those old school unions because beginning in the 1960s/1970s there began a push from corps to get out from under the thumb of labor unions and I also disagree with your Henry Ford assessment. Ford used armed guards at his Mich plant to drive out union leadership and potential members so get that history before spouting off facts you have no clue about. In fact, the only reason Labor Unions ever existed to begin with was to combat corporate abuse. Go back and research Andrew Carnegie for one and you'll find they abused their workers in the late 19th and early 20th centuries because workers back then had no voice and there were no Gov rules and regs in place so employers did whatever they wanted to do to employees. Also keep in mind there was no retirement, no workman's comp, no unemployment etc so if a worker was injured on the job or became too old to work,, that person was 100% reliant upon family to care for them. So unions and Gov played a pivotal role in curtailing that situation and today we have people trying to turn back the clock. Secondly labor unions along with Government via FDR's New Deal programs and later on, the G.I. Bill played a pivotal role as well in the formation of the working Middle Class because prior to the 1930s, 1940s and 1950s, America did not have a Middle Class and if you know your history, the Great Depression was the driving force behind FDR's creation of the New Deal programs because he witnessed the destruction it had on average Americans. Prior to the G.I. Bill, Americans did not attend college either because college was thought of something that the wealthy did and most working-class Americans never gave college a thought until the G.I. Bill made it possible by paying the costs of college for returning servicemen after WW2. --- SpankageBros</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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