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Topic	Rise of Skywalker had the zaniest pacing ever spoilers
NinjaBreakfast 12/28/19 9:27:58 PM #23:	InfinityMonster posted... I'm curious where you guys think they could have taken things after TLJ without also being a problem. straight off the bat imma say i'm not a fan of this kind of argument cos it puts some obligation on us as observers to fill in the blanks for a whole team of professional writers lol. but i will say... is this strictly a problem with TLJ? did TFA not set that course initially by having him be the mysterious, masked apprentice to a monstrous master figure? not my own idea as it was something i read on twitter but i think kylo could easily have split into a third 'faction' of sorts. the first order is a giant fascistic wannabe-empire, you would think they don't live or die solely on the back of kylo leaving them. they have a whole evil bureaucracy. hell, they basically function that way in this as is with the emperor and his guy. why even leave it that late? on further contemplation, I have begun to really resent this idea that TFA 'set things up' and TLJ 'ruined' them. TFA set nothing up bar a bunch of mystery boxes. you could literally fill in any plot in the world around them. you could have rey embark on an epic stamp collecting adventure across the galaxy and still have JJ's various hanging ideas get answered in much the same manner as they would in any other wider scenario. the empire has become more powerful, the resistance is small but has regained a sense of hope at the end of TLJ. how is that hard to build a climax around? hell, you could argue the ROS endgame space battle is a very natural progression of this albeit one which the build up is ruined by the pacing of the film. not related to that post per se but somebody (remind me if it was you, whoever you are!) was posting a 'TLJ explained' video on here recently and it was a good reminder that kylo's ideals in TLJ aren't meant to be taken as gospel or necessarily correct and that his 'burn everything to the ground' mantra is destructive and chaotic, as a sort of also-bad counterpoint to the endless tethering to the past. again, i think there's plenty to work with there in terms of a conflicted character but it ends up boiling down to a very straightforward redemption arc. this is a much bigger missed opportunity than anything from TFA not used in TLJ! like man the helmet thing is definitely merchandising related lmao --- https://imgur.com/nGZeEqw Do you really think you can beat me? <cite>NinjaBreakfast posted [p:932176536] in Rise of Sk... [t:78288513]...</cite> <quote>InfinityMonster posted... </cite> <quote>I'm curious where you guys think they could have taken things after TLJ without also being a problem.</quote>straight off the bat imma say i'm not a fan of this kind of argument cos it puts some obligation on us as observers to fill in the blanks for a whole team of professional writers lol. but i will say... is this strictly a problem with TLJ? did TFA not set that course initially by having him be the mysterious, masked apprentice to a monstrous master figure? not my own idea as it was something i read on twitter but i think kylo could easily have split into a third 'faction' of sorts. the first order is a giant fascistic wannabe-empire, you would think they don't live or die solely on the back of kylo leaving them. they have a whole evil bureaucracy. hell, they basically function that way in this as is with the emperor and his guy. why even leave it that late?on further contemplation, I have begun to really resent this idea that TFA 'set things up' and TLJ 'ruined' them. TFA set nothing up bar a bunch of mystery boxes. you could literally fill in any plot in the world around them. you could have rey embark on an epic stamp collecting adventure across the galaxy and still have JJ's various hanging ideas get answered in much the same manner as they would in any other wider scenario. the empire has become more powerful, the resistance is small but has regained a sense of hope at the end of TLJ. how is that hard to build a climax around? hell, you could argue the ROS endgame space battle is a very natural progression of this albeit one which the build up is ruined by the pacing of the film. not related to that post per se but somebody (remind me if it was you, whoever you are!) was posting a 'TLJ explained' video on here recently and it was a good reminder that kylo's ideals in TLJ aren't meant to be taken as gospel or necessarily correct and that his 'burn everything to the ground' mantra is destructive and chaotic, as a sort of also-bad counterpoint to the endless tethering to the past. again, i think there's plenty to work with there in terms of a conflicted character but it ends up boiling down to a very straightforward redemption arc. this is a much bigger missed opportunity than anything from TFA not used in TLJ! like man the helmet thing is definitely merchandising related lmao --- https://imgur.com/nGZeEqw Do you really think you can beat me?</quote> ... 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