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Topic	Politics Containment Topic 257: "Donald the Dove"
DoomTheGyarados 01/10/20 11:00:37 AM #435:	xp1337 posted... idk if it's just me but I don't see "AOC successfully primaried the 4th ranked House Dem" and "The Democratic Party is why AOC has the political power and influence she has" as mutually exclusive. Consider the thought experiment of: "If AOC did not run in the democratic primary for the house seat but instead mounted a third-party run at the seat in the general, would she have won?" My answer is - highly doubt it. That's not a knock on AOC at all either. She exposed the complacency and arrogance of the incumbent (literally sending a surrogate to the debate lmao) but the framework and institution of the party itself is why she (and almost all) politicians have power at all. They're so entrenched in the politics of this country that there's almost no alternative. tl;dr: "The Democratic Party" isn't some shadowy room of centrist moderates scheming to spread neoliberal policy. AOC mounted a successful internal challenge for the direction the constituency of that seat... but she did so as a Democrat these are not mutually exclusive! Yeah but the DNC acts like they are sometimes! They hate that she won't blanket support incumbents, thinks the dccc sucks etc. Basically she lives in a society that has a two party system. They didn't do anything for her, really. Yes she is in the party so by default she makes use of their organization but that's just how it is. The party leaders dont do anything to help her and that is what I meant. Nor do they need to. --- Sir Chris Doom The Kanto Saga - Animated Series - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hH4wNFCrLM <cite>DoomTheGyarados posted [p:932725247] in Politics C... [t:78309109]...</cite> <quote>xp1337 posted... </cite> <quote>idk if it's just me but I don't see "AOC successfully primaried the 4th ranked House Dem" and "The Democratic Party is why AOC has the political power and influence she has" as mutually exclusive. Consider the thought experiment of: "If AOC did not run in the democratic primary for the house seat but instead mounted a third-party run at the seat in the general, would she have won?" My answer is - highly doubt it. That's not a knock on AOC at all either. She exposed the complacency and arrogance of the incumbent (literally sending a surrogate to the debate lmao) but the framework and institution of the party itself is why she (and almost all) politicians have power at all. They're so entrenched in the politics of this country that there's almost no alternative. tl;dr: "The Democratic Party" isn't some shadowy room of centrist moderates scheming to spread neoliberal policy. AOC mounted a successful internal challenge for the direction the constituency of that seat... but she did so as a Democrat these are not mutually exclusive!</quote> Yeah but the DNC acts like they are sometimes! They hate that she won't blanket support incumbents, thinks the dccc sucks etc. Basically she lives in a society that has a two party system. They didn't do anything for her, really. Yes she is in the party so by default she makes use of their organization but that's just how it is. The party leaders dont do anything to help her and that is what I meant. Nor do they need to. --- Sir Chris Doom The Kanto Saga - Animated Series - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hH4wNFCrLM</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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