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Topic	Why is socialism bad?
lightwarrior78 02/16/20 10:12:23 PM #81:	Government ownership of the means of production? Nothing in and of itself, but the people that push and support it tend to be...let's say very idealistic on human nature hence big mistakes get made in aligning rewards and outcomes. They believe everyone will show up to do hard and ugly jobs even if incentives change to each according to his needs instead of the capitalistic view that says incentive to make money and / or not starve will ensure everything gets done. Small scale, this is why you hear about waiting lists for medical procedures in places with some form of government run health care. Not enough reward to become a doctor combines with not wanting to force people to be doctors or forcing doctors to work long hours, totaling weeks or months for things like CT scans or MRIs in Canada. Socialism doesn't have to be this, but it's hard to sell a program that would only work ideally without complete loss of personal control and freedom in your labor. The old Regan anti-socialism record said a doctor may not get to choose where they practice (if they need a doctor in Juno, you get to move to Alaska), but the reality may be even worse, you may not get a career choice at all so that the needs of the state are met. And that may work, but it isn't what people really want out of socialism. They want the highest pay for the simplest job they can get, hence, the system crumbles without proper distribution of labor to keep things going. Without labor, things don't happen, and we aren't a species right now that would do trash collection if we didn't have to one way or another, let alone anything big. I chuckle at various reddit posts about wanthing things like climate changed solved now, but also wanting everyone on a 24 hour work week. It's like people really think you put money on the table and what you want just happens, but the work needs to be done, and a lot of it will need to be done by people that would rather stay home. Capitalisms systems as practiced right now has horribly bad matchings between necessity of labor and reward, but that's a reason to fix it, not toss the system for people want the participation trophy idea to last them to the grave. --- http://backloggery.com/reddthesock <cite>lightwarrior78 posted [p:934480874] in Why is soc... [t:78410934]...</cite> <quote>Government ownership of the means of production? Nothing in and of itself, but the people that push and support it tend to be...let's say very idealistic on human nature hence big mistakes get made in aligning rewards and outcomes. They believe everyone will show up to do hard and ugly jobs even if incentives change to each according to his needs instead of the capitalistic view that says incentive to make money and / or not starve will ensure everything gets done. Small scale, this is why you hear about waiting lists for medical procedures in places with some form of government run health care. Not enough reward to become a doctor combines with not wanting to force people to be doctors or forcing doctors to work long hours, totaling weeks or months for things like CT scans or MRIs in Canada. Socialism doesn't have to be this, but it's hard to sell a program that would only work ideally without complete loss of personal control and freedom in your labor. The old Regan anti-socialism record said a doctor may not get to choose where they practice (if they need a doctor in Juno, you get to move to Alaska), but the reality may be even worse, you may not get a career choice at all so that the needs of the state are met. And that may work, but it isn't what people really want out of socialism. They want the highest pay for the simplest job they can get, hence, the system crumbles without proper distribution of labor to keep things going. Without labor, things don't happen, and we aren't a species right now that would do trash collection if we didn't have to one way or another, let alone anything big. I chuckle at various reddit posts about wanthing things like climate changed solved now, but also wanting everyone on a 24 hour work week. It's like people really think you put money on the table and what you want just happens, but the work needs to be done, and a lot of it will need to be done by people that would rather stay home. Capitalisms systems as practiced right now has horribly bad matchings between necessity of labor and reward, but that's a reason to fix it, not toss the system for people want the participation trophy idea to last them to the grave. --- http://backloggery.com/reddthesock</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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