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NFUN 04/30/20 7:52:20 PM #304:	Mr Lasastryke posted... i wouldn't argue that "it's all the same" but i'd say evangelical christians are more left-wing than libertarians, yes. (at least in the way you're using the term - i know some evangelical christians ARE libertarians.) this is why i think it's a logical fallacy to say "authoratorianism and libertarianism have nothing to do with the left/right split because they're both right-wing movements!" authoritarianism can be right but when it is, libertarianism is still MORE right. if authoritarianism and libertarianism are both on the right side of the political axis, there's still a "left/right split" because authoritarianism is further left than libertarianism. keep in mind that this whole thing started because wang was arguing "i don't get why more leftists aren't against the covid measures! it has nothing to do with the left/right split!" i think this is wrong. like, do you seriously think it's a complete coincidence that the two users on this board who have been arguing the most aggressively against the covid measures by far - sephyg and muffin - are both on the right? obviously, this has everything to do with the left/right split. sidenote: yes, i'm a leftist and i've also criticized my government's covid measures, but all i've said is that they've maybe been a tad too extreme. i never went so far as to say "there should not be any covid measures." There's a reason why the political chart has two axes. Authoritarianism and Libertarianism as philosophies rather than movements have nothing to do with the left/right split not because they're both right but because they're orthogonal metrics. Soviet Communism is authoritarian and left. Anarcho-syndicalism is libertarian and left. Naziism is authoritarian and right. Anarcho-capitalism is libertarian and right. You're conflating things. In terms of American quarantine responses, I think honestly the best explanation for why you see Sephy and Muffin protest them is because they're self-centered assholes along with the leaders of their movement --- You shine, and make others shine just by being near them. <cite>NFUN posted [p:938393867] in Politics C... [t:78625587]...</cite> <quote>Mr Lasastryke posted... </cite> <quote>i wouldn't argue that "it's all the same" but i'd say evangelical christians are more left-wing than libertarians, yes. (at least in the way you're using the term - i know some evangelical christians ARE libertarians.) this is why i think it's a logical fallacy to say "authoratorianism and libertarianism have nothing to do with the left/right split because they're both right-wing movements!" authoritarianism can be right but when it is, libertarianism is still MORE right. if authoritarianism and libertarianism are both on the right side of the political axis, there's still a "left/right split" because authoritarianism is further left than libertarianism. keep in mind that this whole thing started because wang was arguing "i don't get why more leftists aren't against the covid measures! it has nothing to do with the left/right split!" i think this is wrong. like, do you seriously think it's a complete coincidence that the two users on this board who have been arguing the most aggressively against the covid measures by far - sephyg and muffin - are both on the right? obviously, this has everything to do with the left/right split. sidenote: yes, i'm a leftist and i've also criticized my government's covid measures, but all i've said is that they've maybe been a tad too extreme. i never went so far as to say "there should not be any covid measures."</quote>There's a reason why the political chart has two axes. Authoritarianism and Libertarianism as philosophies rather than movements have nothing to do with the left/right split not because they're both right but because they're orthogonal metrics. Soviet Communism is authoritarian and left. Anarcho-syndicalism is libertarian and left. Naziism is authoritarian and right. Anarcho-capitalism is libertarian and right. You're conflating things. In terms of American quarantine responses, I think honestly the best explanation for why you see Sephy and Muffin protest them is because they're self-centered assholes along with the leaders of their movement --- You shine, and make others shine just by being near them.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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