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Topic	States been open ONE DAY and my bf is going to a bar
adjl 05/17/20 1:09:56 PM #50:	LinkPizza posted... And some may say, "If they waited that long, couldn't they wait a little longer?" And that's an answer nobody can actually answer. Because nobody knows how long things will stay open. The second wave, if there is one, could happen at any point. Meaning, you could lose that bar again for even longer. Maybe even forever. And then that means that person possibly missed their last chance to go to bar... If a second wave comes as a result of people crowding into public spaces as soon as they can, then you should miss your chance to go to the bar, because it wasn't actually safe to do so and everything was opened prematurely (which is very likely because, as I said, this is a decision based on public and political pressure, not on medical advice). Yeah, that sucks for people that like going to bars, but crowding them prematurely is only going to ruin it for everyone else and endanger others unnecessarily. RedPixel posted... If the mortality rate was actually fatal, sure. Where are you finding non-fatal mortality? I've gotta get me some of that. RedPixel posted... but walk outside and listen to your own instincts. My instincts don't have the technology necessary to accurately identify the risk of viral transmission around me. To that end, it's a far better idea to listen to statistics and recommendations from epidemiologists that do have such technology to protect myself and those around me from a risk I otherwise can't hope to accurately assess. RedPixel posted... The soda aisle, isolation, and breathing recycled oxygen are each more dangerous than Covid-19, People should indeed drink less soda. Isolation is easy enough to fix without violating distancing recommendations (whether remotely or just by meeting up and keeping some distance). Recycled oxygen in particular isn't at all dangerous (beyond the dangers normally posed by oxygen), and most of the issues associated with recycled air (which is presumably what you mean) are primarily associated with large office buildings with inadequate air intake, not residential buildings where you can open a window whenever you want some fresh air (to say nothing of the ever-present option of going for a walk). None of the solutions to those issues are in any way mutually exclusive of taking precautions to prevent the spread of COVID (the soda one is completely irrelevant). You can very easily solve all of them at once, if desired. RedPixel posted... Quarantine is for sick people. Correction: Quarantine is for people who are suspected to be contagious. You don't have to actually be sick to qualify for quarantine, just have enough risk factors to make officials believe there's a reasonable chance you might be. Furthermore, as much as "quarantine" has become the go-to colloquial term to describe this situation, saying "stay at home as much as possible and avoid gatherings" is not a quarantine. Actual quarantine is imprisonment: you are strictly isolated and forcibly prevented from coming into contact with anyone. You can't go outside for a walk around your neighbourhood. You can't go to the grocery store. People don't ask you to wear a mask because the only people you can interact with are in hazmat suits anyway. You're right that quarantine is for (suspected) sick people, which is why the current orders fall far short of what a genuine quarantine would be. Be thankful that it hasn't gotten that bad yet. wwinterj25 posted... No it's a me problem and that's all I care about. Then I'm sure you'll get over it. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:939295997] in States bee... [t:78695644]...</cite> <quote>LinkPizza posted... </cite> <quote>And some may say, "If they waited that long, couldn't they wait a little longer?" And that's an answer nobody can actually answer. Because nobody knows how long things will stay open. The second wave, if there is one, could happen at any point. Meaning, you could lose that bar again for even longer. Maybe even forever. And then that means that person possibly missed their last chance to go to bar...</quote> If a second wave comes as a result of people crowding into public spaces as soon as they can, then you should miss your chance to go to the bar, because it wasn't actually safe to do so and everything was opened prematurely (which is very likely because, as I said, this is a decision based on public and political pressure, not on medical advice). Yeah, that sucks for people that like going to bars, but crowding them prematurely is only going to ruin it for everyone else and endanger others unnecessarily. RedPixel posted... </cite> <quote>If the mortality rate was actually fatal, sure.</quote> Where are you finding non-fatal mortality? I've gotta get me some of that. RedPixel posted... </cite> <quote>but walk outside and listen to your own instincts.</quote> My instincts don't have the technology necessary to accurately identify the risk of viral transmission around me. To that end, it's a far better idea to listen to statistics and recommendations from epidemiologists that do have such technology to protect myself and those around me from a risk I otherwise can't hope to accurately assess. RedPixel posted... </cite> <quote>The soda aisle, isolation, and breathing recycled oxygen are each more dangerous than Covid-19,</quote> People should indeed drink less soda. Isolation is easy enough to fix without violating distancing recommendations (whether remotely or just by meeting up and keeping some distance). Recycled oxygen in particular isn't at all dangerous (beyond the dangers normally posed by oxygen), and most of the issues associated with recycled air (which is presumably what you mean) are primarily associated with large office buildings with inadequate air intake, not residential buildings where you can open a window whenever you want some fresh air (to say nothing of the ever-present option of going for a walk). None of the solutions to those issues are in any way mutually exclusive of taking precautions to prevent the spread of COVID (the soda one is completely irrelevant). You can very easily solve all of them at once, if desired. RedPixel posted... </cite> <quote>Quarantine is for sick people.</quote> Correction: Quarantine is for people who are suspected to be contagious. You don't have to actually be sick to qualify for quarantine, just have enough risk factors to make officials believe there's a reasonable chance you might be. Furthermore, as much as "quarantine" has become the go-to colloquial term to describe this situation, saying "stay at home as much as possible and avoid gatherings" is not a quarantine. Actual quarantine is imprisonment: you are strictly isolated and forcibly prevented from coming into contact with anyone. You can't go outside for a walk around your neighbourhood. You can't go to the grocery store. People don't ask you to wear a mask because the only people you can interact with are in hazmat suits anyway. You're right that quarantine is for (suspected) sick people, which is why the current orders fall far short of what a genuine quarantine would be. Be thankful that it hasn't gotten that bad yet. wwinterj25 posted... </cite> <quote>No it's a me problem and that's all I care about.</quote> Then I'm sure you'll get over it. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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