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Topic	B8 ELECTS - The Election of 1824 - Democratic-Republican THUNDERDOME
Eddv 06/19/20 11:35:56 AM #1:	Past Results: 1788 and 1792 Washington sides with the Federalists with 100% of the vote 1796 Adams d. Jefferson with 75% of the vote 1800 Adams d. Jefferson with 88% of the vote 1804 Jefferson d. Pinckney with 64% of the vote 1808 Madison d. Pinckney and George Clinton with 40% of the vote 1812 DeWitt Clinton d. Madison with 66% of the vote 1816 Rufus King d. Monroe with 90% of the vote 1820 Monroe d. Monroe with 100% of the vote Hey all welcome to Board 8 Elects! a topic series in which we discuss each historical election from the perspective of the year it took place in! The idea here is to re-litigate each election from the perspective of when it took place. I will be providing each candidates platform (where possible) so the merits of the election can be discussed and voted on. If possible lets speak of the issues in the present tense. I am going to ask you vote via BOLDING the name of the candidate rather than providing a poll because I feel the poll encourages gut voting and I would really like to see some discussion. Topics will be live for 3 or 4 days - basically until I make the next topic voting will be active in this one. --- Welcome to the Election of 1824. The Era of Good Feelings has taken hold since the election of 1816 - as it turns out Monroe had governed on a platform that people found pretty universally agreeable! With conflict with Great Britain and France over, the country turned its attention to the sundowning spanish colonial holdings, declaring that the western hemisphere belongs to the US, trying to induce Britain and France to stay out of the burgeoning rivalry with Spain. The economy has been prosperous and the Federalist party has been reduced to a party that only exists in Massachusetts and Connecticut. But Monroe is retiring and the Republican Party......EXPLODES https://media3.giphy.com/media/AcSLnXuQ37b5C/source.gif --- Meet the Candidates The Democratic-Republican Party held a nominating caucus to name a candidate after Vice-President Daniel Tompkins withdrew from consideration due to poor health and the fact that he was suing the government over pay disputes which nominated sitting Treasury Secretary William H. Crawford of Georgia with Minister to France Albert Gallatin of Pennsylvania, running on a platform of keeping the economy strong under his guidance And with no other party, that's it, congrats to William Crawford, President of the United States! ... except people largely view the caucus as being bullshit and disagree with the results. As a result state legislatures each named their own candidates for president Secretary of State John Quincy Adams was chosen by the state legislatures of every state in New England. He was an ardent abolitionist and had the most robust foreign policy credentials. New England was also desperate to have another president from their region after such a long period of Virginian/Southern dominance. The frontier state of Kentucky and a few neighboring states have nominated local son and celebrated legislator, Speaker of the House Henry Clay on the strength of his pet set of economic policies known as the American System, a system of high tariffs and low taxes which I will get into more later. War Hero General Andrew Jackson had been retired in Tennessee when they asked him to serve as president, according to legend begging him to advance the betterment of the common man and is running on an explicitly populist platform. South Carolina has nominated Secretary of War John C. Calhoun, an ardent pro-slaver, though he has withdrawn to serve as vice presidential candidate for both Adams and Jackson New York and New Jersey nominated native son Secretary of the Navy Smith Thompson, to represent their interests but he declined to run. --- The Issues Henry Clay has an implicit platform, in that he has been promoting the economic plan known as the American System for nearly a decade if not longer and this plan became the major debating point of the election. The American System advocates for: High tariffs to protect American industries and generate revenue for the federal government National banking to maintain a stable currency New internal improvements such as roads and canals (funded by tariffs and land sales) While Adams is seen as likely the closest to Clay on these economic issues, none of the candidates outright oppose the American System in its entirety. Crawford was a strong supporter of rechartering a national bank and presided over various new internal improvements in his government positions - his position on trade is mixed, given his implementation of recent tariffs but strong and still-referenced opposition to the Embargo Act nearly two decades ago. Jackson's stance on tariffs has been vague and wavering, and he takes a centrist approach on internal improvements - that while many attempts at federal-level improvements are unconstitutional, the federal government nonetheless has a vital role to play in helping fund projects conducted largely at lower levels of government, in short Jackson opposes the American System but has been coy about declaring such. Jackson was a vocal opponent of the National Bank claiming it was unconstitutional and stole money from farmer's to create credit for rich bankers and blamed the Panic of 1819 on the National Bank. Jackson has also got a reputation for being an "Indian Fighter" and his hardliner position is popular in the frontier states while Adams and Crawford advocate a more measured stance. Clay is largely silent on the issue, likely owing to his residency in Kentucky. Slavery is largely not an issue in this election due to the Missouri Compromise, in which Missouri was established as a slave stat in exchange for the establishment of a firm line below which would be slave states and above which would be free. This Compromise is seen as a major accomplishment by Free-Soiler Henry Clay (Clay both owned slaves (via inheritance through his wife) and was also abolitionist, embodying the conflicts that defined his career). --- Board 8's Voice of Reason https://imgur.com/AWY4xHy <cite>Eddv posted [p:940915680] in B8 ELECTS ... [t:78784792]...</cite> <quote>Past Results: 1788 and 1792 Washington sides with the Federalists with 100% of the vote 1796 Adams d. Jefferson with 75% of the vote 1800 Adams d. Jefferson with 88% of the vote 1804 Jefferson d. Pinckney with 64% of the vote 1808 Madison d. Pinckney and George Clinton with 40% of the vote 1812 DeWitt Clinton d. Madison with 66% of the vote 1816 Rufus King d. Monroe with 90% of the vote 1820 Monroe d. Monroe with 100% of the vote Hey all welcome to Board 8 Elects! a topic series in which we discuss each historical election from the perspective of the year it took place in! The idea here is to re-litigate each election from the perspective of when it took place. I will be providing each candidates platform (where possible) so the merits of the election can be discussed and voted on. If possible lets speak of the issues in the present tense. I am going to ask you vote via BOLDING the name of the candidate rather than providing a poll because I feel the poll encourages gut voting and I would really like to see some discussion. Topics will be live for 3 or 4 days - basically until I make the next topic voting will be active in this one. --- Welcome to the Election of 1824. The Era of Good Feelings has taken hold since the election of 1816 - as it turns out Monroe had governed on a platform that people found pretty universally agreeable! With conflict with Great Britain and France over, the country turned its attention to the sundowning spanish colonial holdings, declaring that the western hemisphere belongs to the US, trying to induce Britain and France to stay out of the burgeoning rivalry with Spain. The economy has been prosperous and the Federalist party has been reduced to a party that only exists in Massachusetts and Connecticut. But Monroe is retiring and the Republican Party......EXPLODES https://media3.giphy.com/media/AcSLnXuQ37b5C/source.gif --- Meet the Candidates The Democratic-Republican Party held a nominating caucus to name a candidate after Vice-President Daniel Tompkins withdrew from consideration due to poor health and the fact that he was suing the government over pay disputes which nominated sitting Treasury Secretary William H. Crawford of Georgia with Minister to France Albert Gallatin of Pennsylvania, running on a platform of keeping the economy strong under his guidance And with no other party, that's it, congrats to William Crawford, President of the United States! ... except people largely view the caucus as being bullshit and disagree with the results. As a result state legislatures each named their own candidates for president Secretary of State John Quincy Adams was chosen by the state legislatures of every state in New England. He was an ardent abolitionist and had the most robust foreign policy credentials. New England was also desperate to have another president from their region after such a long period of Virginian/Southern dominance. The frontier state of Kentucky and a few neighboring states have nominated local son and celebrated legislator, Speaker of the House Henry Clay on the strength of his pet set of economic policies known as the American System, a system of high tariffs and low taxes which I will get into more later. War Hero General Andrew Jackson had been retired in Tennessee when they asked him to serve as president, according to legend begging him to advance the betterment of the common man and is running on an explicitly populist platform. South Carolina has nominated Secretary of War John C. Calhoun, an ardent pro-slaver, though he has withdrawn to serve as vice presidential candidate for both Adams and Jackson New York and New Jersey nominated native son Secretary of the Navy Smith Thompson, to represent their interests but he declined to run. --- The Issues Henry Clay has an implicit platform, in that he has been promoting the economic plan known as the American System for nearly a decade if not longer and this plan became the major debating point of the election. The American System advocates for:High tariffs to protect American industries and generate revenue for the federal governmentNational banking to maintain a stable currencyNew internal improvements such as roads and canals (funded by tariffs and land sales)While Adams is seen as likely the closest to Clay on these economic issues, none of the candidates outright oppose the American System in its entirety. Crawford was a strong supporter of rechartering a national bank and presided over various new internal improvements in his government positions - his position on trade is mixed, given his implementation of recent tariffs but strong and still-referenced opposition to the Embargo Act nearly two decades ago. Jackson's stance on tariffs has been vague and wavering, and he takes a centrist approach on internal improvements - that while many attempts at federal-level improvements are unconstitutional, the federal government nonetheless has a vital role to play in helping fund projects conducted largely at lower levels of government, in short Jackson opposes the American System but has been coy about declaring such. Jackson was a vocal opponent of the National Bank claiming it was unconstitutional and stole money from farmer's to create credit for rich bankers and blamed the Panic of 1819 on the National Bank. Jackson has also got a reputation for being an "Indian Fighter" and his hardliner position is popular in the frontier states while Adams and Crawford advocate a more measured stance. Clay is largely silent on the issue, likely owing to his residency in Kentucky.Slavery is largely not an issue in this election due to the Missouri Compromise, in which Missouri was established as a slave stat in exchange for the establishment of a firm line below which would be slave states and above which would be free. This Compromise is seen as a major accomplishment by Free-Soiler Henry Clay (Clay both owned slaves (via inheritance through his wife) and was also abolitionist, embodying the conflicts that defined his career). --- Board 8's Voice of Reason https://imgur.com/AWY4xHy</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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