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Topic	Politics Containment Topic 306: McMuffin Times Matter
Mr Lasastryke 06/22/20 1:12:34 PM #487:	turbopuns3 posted... It's not damn clear what the goals are. Not like I think you are thinking it is. Look at it this way. People are protesting because they want to make a change, right. They don't accept things the way they are so they are acting out to improve the situation. Now imagine a world where somehow magically there was a person who could just wave their magic wand and put us in the world the protesters want. Now imagine the movement had a spokesperson whose job it was to go in a room and sit down with the magic person and tell them "here are all the things we want your magic wand to do and then we will be happy and no longer need to protest because everything will be fixed." And they write them all down and agree to it and poof it happens. Joe is just asking "what are the concrete, actionable items that comprise this list?" And he is speculating that a huge portion of protesters could not on demand give you a concrete list. And that if you pulled every protester aside individually and asked them, you'd end up with a million different things as opposed to a unified list. And it's hard for me to think he's wrong there. Nothing at all wrong with the movement or the protests, he is just offering a critique or a questioning if you will of its organization and concrete goals, which is allowed. i mean, if rogan is asking "what concretely needs to happen to solve the problems?" he can ask that, though i still think that's a pretty dumb question. it's like when MLK gave his speech, someone would have said "uh yeah that's nice but what are you actually going to do to solve racism?" obviously there is no super simple solution that's going to solve the problem of racist cops next week and i doubt any of the protesters think there is one. i don't even get from the clip that that's actually rogan's criticism, though. seems to me like he's saying "all these impressionable young people feel good being part of a movement but if you'd ask them what the protest is actually about, you'd receive a blank stare in reply." he's definitely coming off very patronizing and slightly ageist to the protesters to me. --- Geothermal terpsichorean ejectamenta <cite>Mr Lasastryke posted [p:941073647] in Politics C... [t:78779549]...</cite> <quote>turbopuns3 posted... </cite> <quote>It's not damn clear what the goals are. Not like I think you are thinking it is. Look at it this way. People are protesting because they want to make a change, right. They don't accept things the way they are so they are acting out to improve the situation. Now imagine a world where somehow magically there was a person who could just wave their magic wand and put us in the world the protesters want. Now imagine the movement had a spokesperson whose job it was to go in a room and sit down with the magic person and tell them "here are all the things we want your magic wand to do and then we will be happy and no longer need to protest because everything will be fixed." And they write them all down and agree to it and poof it happens. Joe is just asking "what are the concrete, actionable items that comprise this list?" And he is speculating that a huge portion of protesters could not on demand give you a concrete list. And that if you pulled every protester aside individually and asked them, you'd end up with a million different things as opposed to a unified list. And it's hard for me to think he's wrong there. Nothing at all wrong with the movement or the protests, he is just offering a critique or a questioning if you will of its organization and concrete goals, which is allowed.</quote> i mean, if rogan is asking "what concretely needs to happen to solve the problems?" he can ask that, though i still think that's a pretty dumb question. it's like when MLK gave his speech, someone would have said "uh yeah that's nice but what are you actually going to do to solve racism?" obviously there is no super simple solution that's going to solve the problem of racist cops next week and i doubt any of the protesters think there is one. i don't even get from the clip that that's actually rogan's criticism, though. seems to me like he's saying "all these impressionable young people feel good being part of a movement but if you'd ask them what the protest is actually about, you'd receive a blank stare in reply." he's definitely coming off very patronizing and slightly ageist to the protesters to me. --- Geothermal terpsichorean ejectamenta</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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