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Topic	Outrage after TEENAGERS at LITTLE CAESARS did THIS to a PIZZA!!!!
NFUN 06/30/20 11:30:37 AM #12:	MZero posted... Well yeah but the word cartoon isn't associated with mass genocide so it's fine to use them interchangeably. The word swastika in English is so closely linked with Nazis that using it to refer to something not related to Nazis is best avoided. It's kind of like how "negro" just means black but obviously using it to refer to a person is much worse than using black because of the historical context. So while saying "it's not a swastika" is technically incorrect, calling it a swastika is intentionally inviting misunderstanding that could be avoided by using another word. Yeah, it does suck for the Hindus. What's your point? If they came up with a new word I would be happy to use it for their version of the symbol. As in there's nothing you can really do to avoid calling it that My point was about avoiding misunderstanding. If you like anime and when you meet someone say "I like cartoons", no one is going to think you're talking about anime, even if it's not wrong. If the person then asked "oh what cartoons do you like" and you replied with "DBZ, Bleach, Naruto" the person would be like "oh you like anime". Sure, it's not a big deal in that case but when you mix in Nazis being more clear is kind of more important. Fuck letting the Nazis erase thousands of years of historical use for two decades of crime. They should not own all context of a word that's not even from their language, and in acting like the word "swastika" refers to Nazis by default is, in a way, letting their ideology win from the grave. is still an emoji despite the symbol getting coopted by white supremacists. Congress still has a fasces despite the only reason most people have heard of it is from "fascism". Don't let them rewrite history. These dipshit kids putting a swastika on a pizza? Yeah, they're being edge lords. pepper pointing out there's a swastika in Zelda? He's probably just being a little stupid, so we condescendingly pretend he had an interesting point to make and move on with our lives, not "correct" him that it's not a swastika and make the problem worse. And "what's my point" in pointing out "swastika" is a Hindu term when you said to use the local name to avoid Nazi association? Really? Fuck off. If Zelda was made in India SHINE wouldn't be able to try to avoid association by calling it a different name. He might have instead pointed out that it existed and had holy meaning before the Nazis and that it appearing in the game has nothing to do with them... which he could've and should've done in this case too. Call it a "Nazi Swastika" if context isn't clear that that that's the type being talked about. Don't make the Hindus made up a new word. It's not their fault we stole it. As for the analogy debate, again, context matters. If you're watching SpongeBob and ask your friend what his favorite cartoons are and he rattles off shounen, he's missing the context. If you're watching Jojo and you ask the same and you get the same, it's appropriate in context. If you're showing an image from a Japanese game from developers who are not fascist shitheads or edgelords, the context probably isn't "This game was made by Nazis", so saying it isn't a swastika, it'd a manji is, again, still missing the context. If you're in a class about Operation Barbarossa and the professor draws a swastika on the board, you're missing the context of you think it's about the Navajos. If you're in a discussion about authoritarian ideology and somebody draws a swastika on their arm, you'd be right in calling them a douchebag, even if they try to "well ackshually" its other historical considerations. Context matters. --- You shine, and make others shine just by being near them. <cite>NFUN posted [p:941475233] in Outrage af... [t:78813411]...</cite> <quote>MZero posted... </cite> <quote>Well yeah but the word cartoon isn't associated with mass genocide so it's fine to use them interchangeably. The word swastika in English is so closely linked with Nazis that using it to refer to something not related to Nazis is best avoided. It's kind of like how "negro" just means black but obviously using it to refer to a person is much worse than using black because of the historical context. So while saying "it's not a swastika" is technically incorrect, calling it a swastika is intentionally inviting misunderstanding that could be avoided by using another word. Yeah, it does suck for the Hindus. What's your point? If they came up with a new word I would be happy to use it for their version of the symbol. As in there's nothing you can really do to avoid calling it that My point was about avoiding misunderstanding. If you like anime and when you meet someone say "I like cartoons", no one is going to think you're talking about anime, even if it's not wrong. If the person then asked "oh what cartoons do you like" and you replied with "DBZ, Bleach, Naruto" the person would be like "oh you like anime". Sure, it's not a big deal in that case but when you mix in Nazis being more clear is kind of more important.</quote>Fuck letting the Nazis erase thousands of years of historical use for two decades of crime. They should not own all context of a word that's not even from their language, and in acting like the word "swastika" refers to Nazis by default is, in a way, letting their ideology win from the grave. is still an emoji despite the symbol getting coopted by white supremacists. Congress still has a fasces despite the only reason most people have heard of it is from "fascism". Don't let them rewrite history. These dipshit kids putting a swastika on a pizza? Yeah, they're being edge lords. pepper pointing out there's a swastika in Zelda? He's probably just being a little stupid, so we condescendingly pretend he had an interesting point to make and move on with our lives, not "correct" him that it's not a swastika and make the problem worse. And "what's my point" in pointing out "swastika" is a Hindu term when you said to use the local name to avoid Nazi association? Really? Fuck off. If Zelda was made in India SHINE wouldn't be able to try to avoid association by calling it a different name. He might have instead pointed out that it existed and had holy meaning before the Nazis and that it appearing in the game has nothing to do with them... which he could've and should've done in this case too. Call it a "Nazi Swastika" if context isn't clear that that that's the type being talked about. Don't make the Hindus made up a new word. It's not their fault we stole it. As for the analogy debate, again, context matters. If you're watching SpongeBob and ask your friend what his favorite cartoons are and he rattles off shounen, he's missing the context. If you're watching Jojo and you ask the same and you get the same, it's appropriate in context. If you're showing an image from a Japanese game from developers who are not fascist shitheads or edgelords, the context probably isn't "This game was made by Nazis", so saying it isn't a swastika, it'd a manji is, again, still missing the context. If you're in a class about Operation Barbarossa and the professor draws a swastika on the board, you're missing the context of you think it's about the Navajos. If you're in a discussion about authoritarian ideology and somebody draws a swastika on their arm, you'd be right in calling them a douchebag, even if they try to "well ackshually" its other historical considerations. Context matters. --- You shine, and make others shine just by being near them.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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