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Monopoman posted...

The fact of the matter is the democratic party despite what the most right wing try to paint it as is a fairly middle of the line party. Bernie was too radical to ever win the nomination period, while the Democrats might be liberal in comparison to the Repub's looking at them in the grand scheme of things they are nowhere near as left as Bernie was.

So we have a party that continues to move further and further to the right in the Republican party, and one that leans slightly to the left for the most part in the Democratic party. I think people are getting too caught up in the most hardcore followers of candidates though, Bernie bros were nowhere near a large enough sector of people to win if they were they would have had him have a slam dunk nomination in the primaries.

The fact of the matter is that everything you said is bullshit. Like I said before, everybody knows the Democrats are left, except maybe people so far left that they're off the board. Keep in mind that HALF of the 2020 Democratic presidential candidates supported a wealth tax, something too far left for almost all of Europe (and Warren's plan went farther than anything attempted in any European nation), and those were just some of the leftist platforms that would be controversial even in Europe. That shit doesn't just happen until the party is pretty fucking far left. Your tired bullshit claim needs a rest.

Likewise, the Republican party isn't terribly conservative. Keep in mind that the 2012 nominee was the former governor of MASSACHUSETTS ffs, who put in place numerous large-scale social welfare programs including universal healthcare. This was the so-called "conservative". The Republican party has relatively few fiscal conservatives and, just like Bernie (who wasn't really a Democrat anyway), the most extreme members of their party never make it through. That's why they put forward Trump in 2016 instead of Ted Cruz. While you could probably make an argument that Republicans overall have consistently moved to the left (because society in general has moved to the left), you can't make an argument that they've consistently moved to the right.

Monopoman posted...

I also think the biggest reason Trump won was because of Cambridge Analytica, they used extremely nefarious means to find out all they could about voters in key battleground states then bombarded them with bullshit to slowly convert them over time. A very interesting documentary that goes into great detail about the 2016 election and the rise of Cambridge Analytica is The Great Hack from 2019 I believe it is on Netflix it's a great documentary.

Cue laugh track. These shitty excuses are getting old.


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