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Topic	~Ultimaterializer's Post-Contest Retro Summer 2008 Analysis!~
PostContestUlti 12/06/20 10:35:37 PM #83:	Division 8 Round 1: Commander Shepard, Magus, Sandbag, and Sonic Shepard (....Wrex) - 17631 [13.38%] Magus - 32683 [24.8%] Sandbag - 32924 [24.99%] Sonic - 48531 [36.83%] Total Votes - 131769 Called this shit like one of Anton Chigurh's coin flips, son. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqMdQBox15s No, really, I did: http://thengamer.com/guru/CB7/stats.php?match=29 As someone who saw this coming, I feel especially qualified to say why it happened. It's easy to look at Magus's entire contest history and judge the guy, but in the interest of 2008 we'll just look at everything prior, and remember I'm saying all this with Magus perhaps being my favorite character in all of fiction. He's way up there, at the very least. For starters, let's remember this dude has been disappointing people right from the beginning. Remember 2003 and everyone thinking the true final of that contest was going to be Magus vs Link? Remember what actually happened? https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/1308-north-division-round-1-sam-fisher-vs-magus https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/1338-north-division-round-2-ganondorf-vs-magus https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/1353-north-division-semifinal-link-vs-magus It's frankly a miracle he even beat Ganondorf that year, because the total votes in the match against Sam Fisher showed how little interest there was. People like to point at percentages all day, but total votes matter. They show overall interest in the characters involved, which is why the modern standard of multiple matches per day with forced voting in every match is so laughably dumb. Multiple matches is fine, but not the forced voting. It's one of the dumbest things Allen has ever done to these contests. When Magus's sprite got 35% on Link, people thought it was some great performance, and they also erroneously starting pushing this ridiculous theory that pictures matter far more than they actually do. 2018 thankfully laid that garbage to rest for good. Moving on. https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/1722-hyrule-division-round-1-magus-vs-luca-blight https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/1752-hyrule-division-round-2-magus-vs-crono In 2004, Magus was once again low energy, as Trump would say. No interest in his matches as all, culminating in getting his ass whipped by SFF. https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/2088-devil-division-round-1-magus-vs-knuckles-the-echidna To date, this is perhaps the biggest round 1 upset in the history of contests. Magus went into that contest a favorite to make a deep run. After struggling to build a lead on Knuckles, he choked like a dog. I don't feel like doing the research on this one, but I'd be shocked if any other match in round 1 had every Oracle, Guru, and BOP all be wrong. Usually you have a straggler or two, but not here. Magus was <i>that</i> much of a favorite, and frankly he's been a dud ever since. https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/2874-division-3-round-1-bomberman-crash-phoenix-magus https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/2900-division-3-round-2-mario-big-boss-magus-phoenix He may have won a match in 2007 and looked "okay" on his way out, but once again. Low energy. That stuff matters. So when 2008 came around, I was done being burned by the little shit. I saw Sandbag in this match, I knew BrawlFEAR would cause something insane in this contest, and I just <i>knew</i>. I wish I had a better explanation for it, but this is all I got. I just.... knew. When the poll started, Sonic was the easy winner. That was obvious. Shepard was in last place, which was also not much of a surprise. Remember, he only had the original game at his back to this point, and I believe it was only available on Xbox 360 and PC. Mass Effect 2 was only a thought, and people hadn't fully embraced the original game yet. So here were Magus and a punching bag, going neck and neck for the first 30 minutes of the poll. I figured the match was over right then and there, because if anyone can choke away a close match, Magus can. But to his credit, he shook off the initial joke vote (likely helped by Sonic siphoning away a lot of the BrawlFEAR votes; let's not forget he made his debut in the series in Brawl) and started building a lead. He built it <i>fast,</i> too. A tied match saw Magus explode over 1000 votes overnight, and though there was a small hiccup with Sandbag looking to take the morning vote, Magus recovered there as well and continued.... well, knocking Sandbag around all over the place. That's Sandbag's job, after all! Beat him up, get stickers. Magus kept it up all the way until the after school vote, where he had a lead of 2150 votes. Barring the absolute meltdown of all meltdowns, he looked safe. Remember, he only led by about 700 against Knuckles. 2150 votes in a <i>4way poll</i> would be just an all-time obnoxious choke job that would never have any real compare. In fact, has there ever been a bigger comeback in a 4way or 3way match? Someone check me on that. Chrono Trigger has never been an ASV all-star, but this was another beast entirely. Magus not only started losing the ASV, but he was losing it badly enough that he was likely being rallied against here. Suddenly, all the hype for this match made sense. Sandbag had the joke factor, BrawlFEAR, and Magus was a choke artist. After a few updates where we were at the razor's edge, the floodgates opened. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CD-E-LDc384 Sandbag's comeback was quick, severe, and <i>brutal.</i> If we may peek into the future a bit, it reminds me a lot of the greatest match picture ever made. Credit to yoblazer for this one! http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery/albums/gotd/gotd-115-4.jpg That's basically what Sandbag did to this poll. This was more than a simple ASV comeback and Magus choking. You can tell it was a rally because as Sandbag gained more and more steam for the inevitable win, he was getting close to Sonic himself for several updates. How brutal was it all? The 2150 vote peak was at 2:40 pm EST. Sandbag finished the comeback in under 6 hours, and he never looked back in building up a 400 vote lead for himself. It was a good thing he did, too, because Magus tried to conjure up some of the old Chrono Trigger clutch that this series has pulled off in the past. Unfortunately for him, it just meant losing by 241 votes instead of 400+. It was brutal, it was embarrassing for Magus, and above all, for my money it was the best match we had in round 1 this year. It was either this or the L-Block match to be sure, no? A lot of people worried that Sandbag would go full Sandbag ZERO on this contest following this match. More on that in round 2's writeup, but for Magus this was basically the final nail in his contest career. No one would ever trust him again, and frankly they <i>already</i> should have stopped trusting him. The polls on GameFAQs have a search option; you can see what happened to Magus for yourself. And when you do, you're not dreaming with that 2018 match against Vincent. Magus almost pulled it off, but... he didn't. Of course. That's all he's good for in contests these days. Choke jobs. --- https://board8.fandom.com/wiki/Main_Page <cite>PostContestUlti posted [p:948004746] in ~*Ultimate... [t:79149628]...</cite> <quote>Division 8 Round 1: Commander Shepard, Magus, Sandbag, and Sonic Shepard (....Wrex) - 17631 [13.38%] Magus - 32683 [24.8%] Sandbag - 32924 [24.99%] Sonic - 48531 [36.83%] Total Votes - 131769 Called this shit like one of Anton Chigurh's coin flips, son. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqMdQBox15s No, really, I did: http://thengamer.com/guru/CB7/stats.php?match=29 As someone who saw this coming, I feel especially qualified to say why it happened. It's easy to look at Magus's entire contest history and judge the guy, but in the interest of 2008 we'll just look at everything prior, and remember I'm saying all this with Magus perhaps being my favorite character in all of fiction. He's way up there, at the very least. For starters, let's remember this dude has been disappointing people right from the beginning. Remember 2003 and everyone thinking the true final of that contest was going to be Magus vs Link? Remember what actually happened? https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/1308-north-division-round-1-sam-fisher-vs-magus https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/1338-north-division-round-2-ganondorf-vs-magus https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/1353-north-division-semifinal-link-vs-magus It's frankly a miracle he even beat Ganondorf that year, because the total votes in the match against Sam Fisher showed how little interest there was. People like to point at percentages all day, but total votes matter. They show overall interest in the characters involved, which is why the modern standard of multiple matches per day with forced voting in every match is so laughably dumb. Multiple matches is fine, but not the forced voting. It's one of the dumbest things Allen has ever done to these contests. When Magus's sprite got 35% on Link, people thought it was some great performance, and they also erroneously starting pushing this ridiculous theory that pictures matter far more than they actually do. 2018 thankfully laid that garbage to rest for good. Moving on. https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/1722-hyrule-division-round-1-magus-vs-luca-blight https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/1752-hyrule-division-round-2-magus-vs-crono In 2004, Magus was once again low energy, as Trump would say. No interest in his matches as all, culminating in getting his ass whipped by SFF. https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/2088-devil-division-round-1-magus-vs-knuckles-the-echidna To date, this is perhaps the biggest round 1 upset in the history of contests. Magus went into that contest a favorite to make a deep run. After struggling to build a lead on Knuckles, he choked like a dog. I don't feel like doing the research on this one, but I'd be shocked if any other match in round 1 had every Oracle, Guru, and BOP all be wrong. Usually you have a straggler or two, but not here. Magus was <i>that</i> much of a favorite, and frankly he's been a dud ever since. https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/2874-division-3-round-1-bomberman-crash-phoenix-magus https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/2900-division-3-round-2-mario-big-boss-magus-phoenix He may have won a match in 2007 and looked "okay" on his way out, but once again. Low energy. That stuff matters. So when 2008 came around, I was done being burned by the little shit. I saw Sandbag in this match, I knew BrawlFEAR would cause something insane in this contest, and I just <i>knew</i>. I wish I had a better explanation for it, but this is all I got. I just.... knew. When the poll started, Sonic was the easy winner. That was obvious. Shepard was in last place, which was also not much of a surprise. Remember, he only had the original game at his back to this point, and I believe it was only available on Xbox 360 and PC. Mass Effect 2 was only a thought, and people hadn't fully embraced the original game yet. So here were Magus and a punching bag, going neck and neck for the first 30 minutes of the poll. I figured the match was over right then and there, because if anyone can choke away a close match, Magus can. But to his credit, he shook off the initial joke vote (likely helped by Sonic siphoning away a lot of the BrawlFEAR votes; let's not forget he made his debut in the series in Brawl) and started building a lead. He built it <i>fast,</i> too. A tied match saw Magus explode over 1000 votes overnight, and though there was a small hiccup with Sandbag looking to take the morning vote, Magus recovered there as well and continued.... well, knocking Sandbag around all over the place. That's Sandbag's job, after all! Beat him up, get stickers. Magus kept it up all the way until the after school vote, where he had a lead of 2150 votes. Barring the absolute meltdown of all meltdowns, he looked safe. Remember, he only led by about 700 against Knuckles. 2150 votes in a <i>4way poll</i> would be just an all-time obnoxious choke job that would never have any real compare. In fact, has there ever been a bigger comeback in a 4way or 3way match? Someone check me on that. Chrono Trigger has never been an ASV all-star, but this was another beast entirely. Magus not only started losing the ASV, but he was losing it badly enough that he was likely being rallied against here. Suddenly, all the hype for this match made sense. Sandbag had the joke factor, BrawlFEAR, and Magus was a choke artist. After a few updates where we were at the razor's edge, the floodgates opened. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CD-E-LDc384 Sandbag's comeback was quick, severe, and <i>brutal.</i> If we may peek into the future a bit, it reminds me a lot of the greatest match picture ever made. Credit to yoblazer for this one! http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery/albums/gotd/gotd-115-4.jpg That's basically what Sandbag did to this poll. This was more than a simple ASV comeback and Magus choking. You can tell it was a rally because as Sandbag gained more and more steam for the inevitable win, he was getting close to Sonic himself for several updates. How brutal was it all? The 2150 vote peak was at 2:40 pm EST. Sandbag finished the comeback in under 6 hours, and he never looked back in building up a 400 vote lead for himself. It was a good thing he did, too, because Magus tried to conjure up some of the old Chrono Trigger clutch that this series has pulled off in the past. Unfortunately for him, it just meant losing by 241 votes instead of 400+. It was brutal, it was embarrassing for Magus, and above all, for my money it was the best match we had in round 1 this year. It was either this or the L-Block match to be sure, no? A lot of people worried that Sandbag would go full Sandbag ZERO on this contest following this match. More on that in round 2's writeup, but for Magus this was basically the final nail in his contest career. No one would ever trust him again, and frankly they <i>already</i> should have stopped trusting him. The polls on GameFAQs have a search option; you can see what happened to Magus for yourself. And when you do, you're not dreaming with that 2018 match against Vincent. Magus almost pulled it off, but... he didn't. Of course. That's all he's good for in contests these days. Choke jobs. --- https://board8.fandom.com/wiki/Main_Page</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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