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Topic	~Ultimaterializer's Post-Contest Retro Summer 2008 Analysis!~
PostContestUlti 12/08/20 12:05:03 AM #95:	Division 2 Round 2: Luigi, Liquid Snake, Bowser, and Phoenix Wright Luigi - 35630 [27.88%] Liquid - 39084 [30.59%] Bowser - 29000 [22.69%] Phoenix Wright - 24072 [18.84%] Total Votes - 127786 After seeing how round 1 played out, and having just come off of a match where Nintendo self-cannibalized, people were very concerned for Luigi's safety in this match. After all, we had hard data that Bowser > Luigi: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/1342-east-division-round-2-bowser-vs-yoshi https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/1751-hyrule-division-round-2-yoshi-vs-luigi The board consensus for this match was Luigi > Bowser even in the face of the LOL x-stats, which people were actually right about. Regardless of any stat, common sense would tell you Luigi would beat Bowser heads-up. I actually picked Bowser > Luigi because direct matches as seen here in our example are a bit different than extrapolated stats. So for those who called me an idiot back then, you were right. What almost none of us saw coming, however, was how Liquid Snake and Phoenix Wright would factor into all this. After Phoenix did his usual thing and won the early board vote, one thing became readily apparent -- the Nintendo vote was being split three ways, which allowed Liquid Snake to waltz into first place unopposed, much to the dismay of many Nintendo fans. This was supposed to be a simple result where Bowser and Luigi stomped. Nope. Liquid probably would have advanced regardless, but Phoenix being here definitely diluted the Nintendo support. Remember how Luigi finished ahead of Liquid in round 1? Well add in Bowser and Phoenix Wright, and you get Liquid walking to first place with Bowser being the odd one out. And if there wasn't a weird Hierarchy with Nintendo's second level, a universe exists where Luigi gets third place here. The universe we're in though saw Bowser almost lose to Phoenix himself and finish in last place, which is especially embarrassing in its own right. Hats off to Liquid and Metal Gear Solid 4, though, for taking advantage. You don't choose who you go up against on the schedule, you just have to beat whoever's there. Liquid took advantage of lucky bracket placement and did what he had to do. Oh, and my best guess as to why Luigi finished ahead of Bowser despite the direct results is because main characters tend to overperform against villains in their own series. It's not the only time this has happened. Bowser may look stronger indirectly based on some stats, but I would never pick him to beat Luigi in a match again. The hero > villain thing among voters is very real. --- https://board8.fandom.com/wiki/Main_Page <cite>PostContestUlti posted [p:948047602] in ~*Ultimate... [t:79149628]...</cite> <quote>Division 2 Round 2: Luigi, Liquid Snake, Bowser, and Phoenix Wright Luigi - 35630 [27.88%] Liquid - 39084 [30.59%] Bowser - 29000 [22.69%] Phoenix Wright - 24072 [18.84%] Total Votes - 127786 After seeing how round 1 played out, and having just come off of a match where Nintendo self-cannibalized, people were very concerned for Luigi's safety in this match. After all, we had hard data that Bowser > Luigi: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/1342-east-division-round-2-bowser-vs-yoshi https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/1751-hyrule-division-round-2-yoshi-vs-luigi The board consensus for this match was Luigi > Bowser even in the face of the LOL x-stats, which people were actually right about. Regardless of any stat, common sense would tell you Luigi would beat Bowser heads-up. I actually picked Bowser > Luigi because direct matches as seen here in our example are a bit different than extrapolated stats. So for those who called me an idiot back then, you were right. What almost none of us saw coming, however, was how Liquid Snake and Phoenix Wright would factor into all this. After Phoenix did his usual thing and won the early board vote, one thing became readily apparent -- the Nintendo vote was being split three ways, which allowed Liquid Snake to waltz into first place unopposed, much to the dismay of many Nintendo fans. This was supposed to be a simple result where Bowser and Luigi stomped. Nope. Liquid probably would have advanced regardless, but Phoenix being here definitely diluted the Nintendo support. Remember how Luigi finished ahead of Liquid in round 1? Well add in Bowser and Phoenix Wright, and you get Liquid walking to first place with Bowser being the odd one out. And if there wasn't a weird Hierarchy with Nintendo's second level, a universe exists where Luigi gets third place here. The universe we're in though saw Bowser almost lose to Phoenix himself and finish in last place, which is especially embarrassing in its own right. Hats off to Liquid and Metal Gear Solid 4, though, for taking advantage. You don't choose who you go up against on the schedule, you just have to beat whoever's there. Liquid took advantage of lucky bracket placement and did what he had to do. Oh, and my best guess as to why Luigi finished ahead of Bowser despite the direct results is because main characters tend to overperform against villains in their own series. It's not the only time this has happened. Bowser may look stronger indirectly based on some stats, but I would never pick him to beat Luigi in a match again. The hero > villain thing among voters is very real. --- https://board8.fandom.com/wiki/Main_Page</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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