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pinky0926 01/22/21 8:26:17 AM #309:	Frolex posted... Fat percentage, fat distribution, muscle density, muscle mass, bone density and hemoglobin content in transwomen after treatment with HRT are all in line with the typical levels for those seen in cisgender women I'm not entirely sure your conclusion here meets up with the abstracts of many of these. To go through them: https://www.endocrine-abstracts.org/ea/0041/ea0041EP397 " Total body fat increases in male-to-females (MtFs) and decreases in female-to-males (FtMs) during cross-sex hormone therapy (CSHT), approaching body fat amounts of the desired sex. However, changes in android or gynoid fat distribution might be a better measure for masculinization and feminization than changes in amount of body fat per se. As yet, the exact effects of CSHT on fat in the android- and gynoid region are unknown." https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27572683 Notes "affects body mass" but doesn't mention in the abstract if it's in line with cisgender women? https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28945851 "In FTM individuals, masculinizing hormone therapy was not associated with significant changes in BMD, whereas in MTF individuals feminizing hormone therapy was associated with an increase in BMD at the lumbar spine" I mean this study is mainly looking at the medical risks... https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/cen.13607 Ok, this one does show similar BMD in trans and cis women. https://www.amjmed.com/article/S0002-9343(13)00896-6/abstract "Hemoglobin, hematocrit, and low-density lipoprotein resembled female values ( P < .005), while alkaline phosphatase, potassium, and creatinine resembled male values ( P < .05). Triglycerides were higher ( P < .005) than either the male or female groups. The remainder of the measurands showed no differences." Age graded race performance statistics among transwomen are equal to those of cis gender women https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/1e6a/bd2c1e03ba88e9ac8da94ea1d69ff3f4878a.pdf?_ga=2.254440527.659551599.1550520323-1192624875.1550520323 A meta-analyisis of research into transwomen's performance across a comprehensive range of sports found "Currently, there is no direct or consistent research suggesting transgender female individuals (or male individuals) have an athletic advantage at any stage of their transition (e.g. cross-sex hormones, gender-confirming surgery) and, therefore, competitive sport policies that place restrictions on transgender people need to be considered and potentially revised." https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s40279-016-0621-y If you're interested in Joanna Harper, here is she discussing this issue (and DSD athletes) in a less abstract way. https://sportsscientists.com/2016/05/hyperandrogenism-women-vs-women-vs-men-sport-qa-joanna-harper/ Perhaps the takeaway here is that if we can control androgenisation using HRT to a point where we can reliably say there is no longer any performance advantage, then I don't see a problem with trans women competing in women's sport. But I just don't think we're there yet, since researchers don't seem to have a clear index for controlling this. --- CE's Resident Scotsman. https://imgur.com/ILz2ZbV <cite>pinky0926 posted [p:949784598] in Biden spar... [t:79252066]...</cite> <quote>Frolex posted... </cite> <quote>Fat percentage, fat distribution, muscle density, muscle mass, bone density and hemoglobin content in transwomen after treatment with HRT are all in line with the typical levels for those seen in cisgender women</quote> I'm not entirely sure your conclusion here meets up with the abstracts of many of these. To go through them: <quote>https://www.endocrine-abstracts.org/ea/0041/ea0041EP397</quote>" Total body fat increases in male-to-females (MtFs) and decreases in female-to-males (FtMs) during cross-sex hormone therapy (CSHT), approaching body fat amounts of the desired sex. However, changes in android or gynoid fat distribution might be a better measure for masculinization and feminization than changes in amount of body fat per se. As yet, the exact effects of CSHT on fat in the android- and gynoid region are unknown." <quote>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27572683</quote>Notes "affects body mass" but doesn't mention in the abstract if it's in line with cisgender women? <quote>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28945851</quote>"In FTM individuals, masculinizing hormone therapy was not associated with significant changes in BMD, whereas in MTF individuals feminizing hormone therapy was associated with an increase in BMD at the lumbar spine" I mean this study is mainly looking at the medical risks... <quote>https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/cen.13607</quote>Ok, this one does show similar BMD in trans and cis women. <quote>https://www.amjmed.com/article/S0002-9343(13)00896-6/abstract</quote>"Hemoglobin, hematocrit, and low-density lipoprotein resembled female values ( P < .005), while alkaline phosphatase, potassium, and creatinine resembled male values ( P < .05). Triglycerides were higher ( P < .005) than either the male or female groups. The remainder of the measurands showed no differences." <quote> Age graded race performance statistics among transwomen are equal to those of cis gender women https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/1e6a/bd2c1e03ba88e9ac8da94ea1d69ff3f4878a.pdf?_ga=2.254440527.659551599.1550520323-1192624875.1550520323 A meta-analyisis of research into transwomen's performance across a comprehensive range of sports found "Currently, there is no direct or consistent research suggesting transgender female individuals (or male individuals) have an athletic advantage at any stage of their transition (e.g. cross-sex hormones, gender-confirming surgery) and, therefore, competitive sport policies that place restrictions on transgender people need to be considered and potentially revised." https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s40279-016-0621-y</quote> If you're interested in Joanna Harper, here is she discussing this issue (and DSD athletes) in a less abstract way. https://sportsscientists.com/2016/05/hyperandrogenism-women-vs-women-vs-men-sport-qa-joanna-harper/ Perhaps the takeaway here is that if we can control androgenisation using HRT to a point where we can reliably say there is no longer any performance advantage, then I don't see a problem with trans women competing in women's sport. But I just don't think we're there yet, since researchers don't seem to have a clear index for controlling this. --- CE's Resident Scotsman. https://imgur.com/ILz2ZbV</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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