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UnfairRepresent posted...

I disagree (note I only watched the video from the timestamp)

It's bending over backwards to make dumb excuses for Joel while avoiding the entire plot of the game. It's a Zombie apocolypse, decades into it. What soceities are left are small and unsustainable, large swabs of land are inhabitable.

The Fireflies are a terrorist group with minimal resources. The fact they are able to exist and (successfully) research a Zombie vaccine is an incredible testament to their ability. The game never puts any doubt into the story that the vaccine would work and if it did then that would utterly destroy the point of the finale and Joel's character arc.

Going "Well the milita's with 40 times the manpower and resources keep pushing them back and one researcher got infected. Therefore they are incompetent" seems to be intentionally ignoring the plot and backdrop of the game. He's treating the Fireflies like they are a Big Pharma in the present day and not a terrorist organization inside literal hell being attacked at all sides by nature itself, a lack of supplies and a far superior enemy militarized force.

The Fireflies are clearly demonstrated to be determined and f***ing miracle workers.

But it isn't just the militia is taking them down, but its stuff like the researcher is stupid enough to let the monkey out so it can bite him and destroy the entire lab. It wasn't an accident, it was negligence. The fact that the doctors are immediately jumping to vivisecting Ellie instead of running more tests to try to save what they consider the one thing that matters in the world in a non-lethal way.

Theres also nothing to say that they actually have any research into a vaccine. Just that with Ellie they maybe could. There's nothing concrete that there's even hope for a vaccine, just that the fireflies may have deluded themselves into this last hope, and Ellie may have bought into it so everything that's happened can be for something. Neither of these say that a vaccine is actually possible.

UnfairRepresent posted...

In TLOU1 the idea was that the zombies are getting worse. There are no sustainable supplies. There is no large scale government. What socieities are left are restricting all human rights just to function at the bare minimum standard and more and more and more of the country is becoming impossible to traverse.

The plot of the game seems to suggest that the future of the world isn't with a vaccine like the Fireflies are so desperate to get, but settlements like Tommy's dam community and that one in the sewers you go through. Because the apocalypse has effectively happened already. outside of very specific circumstances, the zombies aren't the biggest threat anymore, contrasting with the difficulties of actually rebuilding against other people.

I thought the point of TLOU1 wasn't the zombies are getting worse, its just we haven't made moves to get better yet. Quarantine zones are failing because they are effectively little militia states who can't handle anything because there isn't a centralized system, meaning everything just had to fend for themselves (which is directly why there are groups like the fireflies).

Because 90% of the zombie encounters in TLOU1 are more like "wait, hold up, lets take this slow" because zombies aren't that big of a threat. they are a threat, but they are also basic and something you can handle. The bigger problem is other people.