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TopicBoard 8 Ranks: The Marvel Cinematic Universe (PHASE TWO!)
Inviso
02/16/21 11:46:39 AM
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MetalmindStats
I personally found the complaints about Black Panthers lacking CG overblown, but conversely, the quieter portions of the movie didnt hit their marks for me in quite the way they did for many others. However, its depiction of Wakanda made for my favorite MCU setting, and Id also say the performances were effective all around; in particular, Shuri is one of my favorite MCU characters (shame about Letitia Wright).

Paratroopa1
This one is the dividing line between 'really good' and 'okay' on the list for me and it's a pretty thick line. I really like Black Panther, and I think the nomination for Best Oscar that it got was plenty deserved. Was it pandering? Oh yeah, obviously. Is it artsy enough? Well, it's got the melodrama and the social commentary and the generally serious tone and the interesting cinematography that the Academy Awards are looking for - as superhero movies go, this one is a little more 'grown up', so to speak, and I think these movies ought to be recognized for their achievements in entertainment, so why not? My only complaint about this film is that we don't really see enough of Wakanda - kind of like Asgard in the Thor movies, they never show us Wakanda as this truly lived-in place, we don't really see its cities and the way its people live, we mostly just see throne rooms and labs and the occasional outdoor shot. Killmonger's a great villain and him taking over the throne is a really awesome shift in the plot, but we never really get a feel for how his rule changes Wakanda - we don't see how peoples' lives change, we don't see the policies that he institutes, and that sort of takes the edge away. Black Panther feels like it's a movie that demands worldbuilding, and too often the worldbuilding just isn't there. But otherwise, it's really well done - the cinematography and soundtrack are a notch above most other MCU offerings and I was never bored by the plot. I couldn't rewatch it because it made me too sad. I think Chadwick Boseman was one of the best that the MCU had to offer, and it's criminal that he was taken from us.

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Am I the only person who just didnt like this movie? I wanted to see more of Wakanda. Show me what life is like there. We get one street, the castle, and a waterfall. I want to see a Wakandan school where the teacher is using holograms to show kids what the outside world is like, and a little girl raises her hand and points to the United States and asks is there anything interesting there and the teacher says no.

Inviso
Black Panther is a really well-made movie, and its one of the most serious and interesting concepts in the MCU. Killmonger is not the best villain in the franchise, but hes up there (for reasons beyond the fact that the MCU severely lacks good villains). Its always better when the villain has a reasonable motivation (or any motivation at all) beyond just a lust for power, because it adds a question of morality to the movie itself. Killmonger is extreme in his goals, but the basic concept behind his mindset is sound, as evidenced by the fact that TChalla himself eventually adopts some of his policies to expand Wakandas influence into the world. Even TChalla himself is the midst of an origin story that isnt an origin story. Hes trying to step up to the burden of being the king and having the whole country on his shoulders (along with the knowledge of his fathers own actions as king). That being said, I rank it lower just because its a bit TOO serious compared to some other films in the franchise, which made it a little less FUN than those other movies.

Lopen
So this one is a bit of a mixed bag for me. Black Panther is of course great here as he is in Civil War. Killmonger is great and a top MCU villain. Now that dynamic alone will carry a lot of the movie. But man, I find the scientist girl insufferably annoying and John Watson isn't really used too well here, and well Wakanda just isn't really all that interesting to me compared to most of the other settings/lore in the solo flicks-- it's just a little TOO good at being sciency. It's like a Mary Sue in civilization form. So the other problem is I think Killmonger gets his legs cut out from under him a bit too early I guess. It feels like he's just starting to get rolling and then boom it's over for him. Also this is the first movie where I realized just how much the MCU overuses the "hero fights an evil version of themselves!" I dunno. I'm probably more negative on this movie than a lot of people just because of how much good press it got-- this is an alright movie particularly for a solo MCU entry, but it's not a top tier MCU movie by any stretch.

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