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Inviso 02/17/21 12:05:05 PM #378:	TomNook The 3rd Avengers movie, though called Captain America for some reason. This one is a lot of fun. There isn't much to say, but I do have to laugh at things like the airport fight, where they give characters who are clearly too powerful for the MAIN characters, nothing to do. Scarlet Witch and Vision could dominate every single person. Mr Crispy Heroes fighting each other is probably a more compelling concept than fighting some of the villains, since they have more history together and the audience is more familiar with them. But it's pretty forced here. I don't care for the plot with Bucky or the airport fight much. I liked the last fight in the bunker better, although I think the movie as a whole would have been better if it spent more time shoring up some of the shaky spots leading up to it or if the movie didn't force the 'civil war' concept so much so it would have been a more legitimate twist. Spiderman and Black Panther had decent enough introductions. Crossbones/Zemo being under utilized didn't bother me but I could understand being upset about. Why bring back Ross, but not connect him to the plot of trying to find the super soldier serum when that was his goal in the Incredible Hulk? Red13n This is...kind of a Captain America movie? Lets be honest, this is just an Avengers title with a loose plot around Bucky that most of the time takes a back seat. There is a decent argument to be made that this is more of an Iron Man movie than a Cap movie. Cap spends the movie rigid to his dumb belief he should answer to no one, while Tony actually wrestles with what he must do in a world that is mostly their creation. But the worst part of this movie is that we're forced to have a lot of characters pretty blatantly fall outside their own character for the sake of a big team battle on a hangar where inevitably no one will win. We're introduced to a few new heroes, there are some fun action sequences, but it just doesn't feel like a natural "civil war" so to speak. There's also a villain somewhere in there we are supposed to care about. No cares were had. Raka Putra It feels weird that this is a Captain America movie instead of an Avengers movie. Anyway, I was really excited for this movie back then, but unfortunately the 'civil war' angle was gone in the blink of an eye and we only got one ensemble fight out of it. Anyway, I like its concept more than the execution. It ended up a bit forgettable. Maniac64 I don't get the love for this movie. Yeah the airport fight was cool but this movie just left me wanting. I felt like the plot was not strong enough to cause the division we saw, and the Winter Soldier/Iron Man stuff just didn't land for me. Yeah the three man fight was super well done but it didn't feel like it should have happened. Inviso Im not even entirely sure why this is a Captain America movie, given that its about fifty-fifty split between the feelings of Captain America and Iron Man. Its tough to rank this one, because its REALLY cool to see some of the action set pieces in this movie. After all, this is an opportunity to see the Avengers fighting each other without any sort of mind control to hamper their powers. The airport fight is a GREAT scene and gives the opportunity to see a bunch of characterization and witty dialogue (from Ant Man, Spider-Man, Iron Man, and even Falcon/Bucky). But the plot is just not great. Dont get me wrong, I appreciate the commitment to the franchises internal timeline, but it just feels like a weird choice to create the civil war conflict in the way its created. The opening scene isnt necessary given the utter destruction of Sokovia providing enough of a catalyst for the Sokovia Accords. And if Im being honest? Captain America feels ONE HUNDRED percent in the wrong and his entire motivations seem to be putting his friend ahead of the rest of the world. Sure, hes rightbut he could easily have been wrong. Oh, and the introduction of Spider-Man AND Black Panther (and bringing Ant Man into the core group) feels like a weird choice and detracts from the focus of the movie. So ultimately, the action is top notch, and some of the twists are good (and hell, I appreciate the villains motivations), but its trying to do too much rather than do just a little REALLY well. --- Touch fuzzy. Get fuzzier. Inviso <cite>Inviso posted [p:950737144] in Board 8 Ra... [t:79288169]...</cite> <quote>TomNook The 3rd Avengers movie, though called Captain America for some reason. This one is a lot of fun. There isn't much to say, but I do have to laugh at things like the airport fight, where they give characters who are clearly too powerful for the MAIN characters, nothing to do. Scarlet Witch and Vision could dominate every single person. Mr Crispy Heroes fighting each other is probably a more compelling concept than fighting some of the villains, since they have more history together and the audience is more familiar with them. But it's pretty forced here. I don't care for the plot with Bucky or the airport fight much. I liked the last fight in the bunker better, although I think the movie as a whole would have been better if it spent more time shoring up some of the shaky spots leading up to it or if the movie didn't force the 'civil war' concept so much so it would have been a more legitimate twist. Spiderman and Black Panther had decent enough introductions. Crossbones/Zemo being under utilized didn't bother me but I could understand being upset about. Why bring back Ross, but not connect him to the plot of trying to find the super soldier serum when that was his goal in the Incredible Hulk? Red13n This is...kind of a Captain America movie? Lets be honest, this is just an Avengers title with a loose plot around Bucky that most of the time takes a back seat. There is a decent argument to be made that this is more of an Iron Man movie than a Cap movie. Cap spends the movie rigid to his dumb belief he should answer to no one, while Tony actually wrestles with what he must do in a world that is mostly their creation. But the worst part of this movie is that we're forced to have a lot of characters pretty blatantly fall outside their own character for the sake of a big team battle on a hangar where inevitably no one will win. We're introduced to a few new heroes, there are some fun action sequences, but it just doesn't feel like a natural "civil war" so to speak. There's also a villain somewhere in there we are supposed to care about. No cares were had. Raka Putra It feels weird that this is a Captain America movie instead of an Avengers movie. Anyway, I was really excited for this movie back then, but unfortunately the 'civil war' angle was gone in the blink of an eye and we only got one ensemble fight out of it. Anyway, I like its concept more than the execution. It ended up a bit forgettable. Maniac64 I don't get the love for this movie. Yeah the airport fight was cool but this movie just left me wanting. I felt like the plot was not strong enough to cause the division we saw, and the Winter Soldier/Iron Man stuff just didn't land for me. Yeah the three man fight was super well done but it didn't feel like it should have happened. Inviso Im not even entirely sure why this is a Captain America movie, given that its about fifty-fifty split between the feelings of Captain America and Iron Man. Its tough to rank this one, because its REALLY cool to see some of the action set pieces in this movie. After all, this is an opportunity to see the Avengers fighting each other without any sort of mind control to hamper their powers. The airport fight is a GREAT scene and gives the opportunity to see a bunch of characterization and witty dialogue (from Ant Man, Spider-Man, Iron Man, and even Falcon/Bucky). But the plot is just not great. Dont get me wrong, I appreciate the commitment to the franchises internal timeline, but it just feels like a weird choice to create the civil war conflict in the way its created. The opening scene isnt necessary given the utter destruction of Sokovia providing enough of a catalyst for the Sokovia Accords. And if Im being honest? Captain America feels ONE HUNDRED percent in the wrong and his entire motivations seem to be putting his friend ahead of the rest of the world. Sure, hes rightbut he could easily have been wrong. Oh, and the introduction of Spider-Man AND Black Panther (and bringing Ant Man into the core group) feels like a weird choice and detracts from the focus of the movie. So ultimately, the action is top notch, and some of the twists are good (and hell, I appreciate the villains motivations), but its trying to do too much rather than do just a little REALLY well. --- Touch fuzzy. Get fuzzier. Inviso</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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