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Topic	Another person died in police custody after being knelt on for 5 minutes
Zeus 04/29/21 2:35:15 AM #25:	Far-Queue posted... Inb4 some smoothbrained shithead says he shouldn't have resisted. Doesn't justify killing an unarmed man. ...they literally weren't trying to kill him. The idea that they were is about as smoothbrained as one can have. And generally speaking, when people are restrained, they're restrained on the ground. How else are you going to restrain them? And if you aren't restraining people, who are you subduing unruly suspects? By using a taser? Because even if they pull their taser instead of their gun (which has been an issue multiple times already), tasers aren't exactly safe either and can result in deaths. Far-Queue posted... I know a lot of nurses who deal with combative drunk and drugged out patients all the time, yet somehow manage not to kill them. And a lot of cops manage to deal with combative drunk and drugged out suspects without killing them (and far more times a day than nurses have to). In fact, this cop probably used the same technique many times in the past to safely subdue suspects. The fact that nobody died doesn't mean that subduing a violent individual doesn't have risk (or that the technique is even safe), it just means that the worst didn't happen that time. Not to mention that hospitals deal with far fewer unruly individuals than cops and, when a hospital does wind up killing somebody, it doesn't get the same attention that cops do Not to mention that hospitals are controlled environments and have sedatives, whereas cops are trying to operate in a wide variety of completely uncontrolled environments. Zikten posted... I have to wonder if cops would change if there is a series of Derek Chauvin type convictions It might convince them to not confront suspects and to just let those suspects do whatever they're going to do? It's kind of like how some cities are talking about banning police foot chases for many low-level crimes. Once suspects realize that all they have to do is run, every suspect is going to run. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| There are precious few at ease / With moral ambiguities / So we act as though they don't exist. <cite>Zeus posted [p:953350847] in Another pe... [t:79429430]...</cite> <quote>Far-Queue posted... </cite> <quote>Inb4 some smoothbrained shithead says he shouldn't have resisted. Doesn't justify killing an unarmed man.</quote> ...they literally weren't trying to kill him. The idea that they were is about as smoothbrained as one can have. And generally speaking, when people are restrained, they're restrained on the ground. How else are you going to restrain them? And if you aren't restraining people, who are you subduing unruly suspects? By using a taser? Because even if they pull their taser instead of their gun (which has been an issue multiple times already), tasers aren't exactly safe either and can result in deaths. Far-Queue posted... </cite> <quote>I know a lot of nurses who deal with combative drunk and drugged out patients all the time, yet somehow manage not to kill them.</quote> And a lot of cops manage to deal with combative drunk and drugged out suspects without killing them (and far more times a day than nurses have to). In fact, this cop probably used the same technique many times in the past to safely subdue suspects. The fact that nobody died doesn't mean that subduing a violent individual doesn't have risk (or that the technique is even safe), it just means that the worst didn't happen that time. Not to mention that hospitals deal with far fewer unruly individuals than cops and, when a hospital does wind up killing somebody, it doesn't get the same attention that cops do Not to mention that hospitals are controlled environments and have sedatives, whereas cops are trying to operate in a wide variety of completely uncontrolled environments. Zikten posted... </cite> <quote>I have to wonder if cops would change if there is a series of Derek Chauvin type convictions</quote> It might convince them to not confront suspects and to just let those suspects do whatever they're going to do? It's kind of like how some cities are talking about banning police foot chases for many low-level crimes. Once suspects realize that all they have to do is run, every suspect is going to run. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| There are precious few at ease / With moral ambiguities / So we act as though they don't exist. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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