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Ruvan22 06/03/21 5:11:27 PM #22:	TommyG663513 posted... Damn near everything is decided by men. Sorry that this is your first time ever hearing about this, but who do you think made all of the laws we follow? Can you find any law at all that had the congressional support of even 40% women? Do you understand what the gender makeup of congress currently is and historically has been? Also, we have women in Congress who are pro life Also, abortion rights effects men too Also, you can have a moral objection to abortion and feel legislation is the best way to curb that. The stance that "men just want to control women's bodies" has always and will always be a bad faith representation of the issue that attempts to paint the issue as way more black and white than it actually is. Again, I am pro choice. Get that one through your head. I have the same basic political opinion of what looks like everyone in this thread. I just hate the same stupid hack argument that I often see in these discussions. Do you really think abortion rights get restricted WITHOUT the support of pro life women? NEWSFLASH women being pro life keeps that movement alive. Start acknowledging that there are reasons to be pro life that aren't purely based in sexism and then you can be a part of the discussion. Ok as Aerris said you are really aggressive about this. A few points A) I never said there are no pro life women or legislators please stop putting words in my mouth B) I never disputed you being pro choice again please stop putting words in my mouth. C) The reason I ask about anti abortion laws passed by women is because this topic specifically affects them (unlike say nuclear armaments). For you to keep harping that "there are pro life women" implies that the laws are just as influenced by them as men and therefore the "men making decisions for women" isn't a valid statement. If a group of twenty people decide something that only affects one person in the group, EVEN if that one person supports it, it still comes across as 19 people deciding for 1. D) Lastly you keep mentioning "just sexism" - who are you saying is making this statement? There's a big difference between the statement "it's not right that one group passes laws that affect another smaller group" and "all the men are doing this just to be sexist" <cite>Ruvan22 posted [p:954612909] in High Schoo... [t:79491765]...</cite> <quote>TommyG663513 posted... </cite> <quote>Damn near everything is decided by men. Sorry that this is your first time ever hearing about this, but who do you think made all of the laws we follow? Can you find any law at all that had the congressional support of even 40% women? Do you understand what the gender makeup of congress currently is and historically has been? Also, we have women in Congress who are pro life Also, abortion rights effects men too Also, you can have a moral objection to abortion and feel legislation is the best way to curb that. The stance that "men just want to control women's bodies" has always and will always be a bad faith representation of the issue that attempts to paint the issue as way more black and white than it actually is. Again, I am pro choice. Get that one through your head. I have the same basic political opinion of what looks like everyone in this thread. I just hate the same stupid hack argument that I often see in these discussions. Do you really think abortion rights get restricted WITHOUT the support of pro life women? NEWSFLASH women being pro life keeps that movement alive. Start acknowledging that there are reasons to be pro life that aren't purely based in sexism and then you can be a part of the discussion.</quote> Ok as Aerris said you are really aggressive about this. A few points A) I never said there are no pro life women or legislators please stop putting words in my mouth B) I never disputed you being pro choice again please stop putting words in my mouth. C) The reason I ask about anti abortion laws passed by women is because this topic specifically affects them (unlike say nuclear armaments). For you to keep harping that "there are pro life women" implies that the laws are just as influenced by them as men and therefore the "men making decisions for women" isn't a valid statement. If a group of twenty people decide something that only affects one person in the group, EVEN if that one person supports it, it still comes across as 19 people deciding for 1. D) Lastly you keep mentioning "just sexism" - who are you saying is making this statement? There's a big difference between the statement "it's not right that one group passes laws that affect another smaller group" and "all the men are doing this just to be sexist" </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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