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SSJPurple posted...

F*** that. My point is humans eventually learning to hunt and fish played a huge roll in our survival and growth as a species.

Our ability to adapt plays a huge roll in our continued survival, which at one point did include those things. Hunting and fishing were just a means to an end during a time when it was necessary, a time when we had a much smaller population whose actions were far more localized (however, even back then we were wiping out species through over-hunting). Now, there's no way we can hunt wild animals to meet our current demand for meat. There simply aren't enough animals and that's why we have factory farming, which is wildly unsustainable both because of resources required and effects on the environment. Our oceans are over-fished to the point of being dangerously close to depletion, something that will have catastrophic ramifications for our planet. Our ability to adapt to our current situation - which now includes drastically reducing demand for meat - can ensure our survival again.

Im all for technological advancements and doing whats good for us and our planet however the idea that our entire species can just go vegan overnight is unrealistic and not even viable for everybody.

Not a lot of people expect everyone to go vegan overnight, nor do they want anyone to go vegan if it will somehow harm them, and I don't think I've ever seen anyone advocate that starving people go hungry instead of eating animals that are the only thing available to them. What we want is a) for everyone who can do it to honestly examine their habits then change accordingly and b) to overhaul our food systems to be less reliant on animal products so that everyone can eventually can go vegan.

Being able to switch to healthy all vegan diet is a privilege.

So is being able to eat meat on demand. Most humans in the history of this planet have never seen a small fraction of the amount of meat consumed by those in developed nations. As living conditions improve, so does consumption of meat, and we're not talking about people eating every last bit of an animal they raised themselves. A vast majority of meat on this planet comes from factory farmed animals that are presented to the consumer in a tidy package at their convenience.

As conditions get worse for humans, and they will, we'll start to see more of what is the real privilege. Look at the taste of it we got earlier on in the pandemic, when factory farm workers were sacrificed to coronavirus to keep overfed Americans supplied with meat. Privilege, and lunacy.

But privilege isn't necessarily a bad thing. I'm a working class stiff who makes barely above the poverty line from a working class family with nothing but working class friends and I don't know anyone who couldn't eat the diet I do if they really wanted to. I eat whole food plants with very little of the processed stuff. It's extremely affordable and accessible, to the point that I've even been able to grocery shop at the dollar store for my most important items (rice, beans, spices, and canned vegetables) when times were tough. I invested in an instant pot and batch cook a couple of times week when I have a spare moment. I used my privilege to be able to choose my diet to change my privileged habits of eating meat 3x a day.